ChiDragon

Is that a surprise to me? I don't know what your standard is. I didn't have my pleasure hearing it from you. My friend?

Of course not, I have said enough in the other thread already. Nothing would be new to me anymore.

Haha, no problem. Nothing new to me. I am used to that. It seems doesn't matter what someone says with some thing to them. There is always a contradiction. No one knows who is right or not. It seems to me that the first thing that comes first is always right. Sadly, there is no room for update and correction. I don't know if I am lucky to hear members tell me "no", that was not it. But never present verbal contents to amuse me. Do you think members have some of the things they said to me I could swallow? I might do the same as the rest of us. Either they more than I do or vice versa. I wouldn't brag about it or be sarcastic about it with verbal insults. Peace.

She is the period mark beauty queen here.

Who decide and determine who is genuine? Who wants to be the first one to be kicked out?

Luckily, after all these years, the fatal breathing has not been caught up with me yet. Besides, I don't want to live that long anyway. That's all I did was just breathe.

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Yes, basically, that is what it is. Neigong is like standing at a Zhan Zhuang position with breathing. Qigong may be practiced by sitting or laying down with breathing. Another way for Qigong is practiced with physical movement and breathing. The good examples for Qigong are Taiji, Xing Yi, Bagua and etc. However, the only requirement is to practice slow to moderate speed. The goal is to reach the realm of abdominal or LDT breathing. Hereinafter, the LTD breathing should become the normal breathing habit at all times, besides during the practice. The constant of the abdominal breathing is like given one to practice Qigong all the time. Hence, it is not limited to be practiced at one time nor one place but all the time. Do you know how effective that could be making your body health and strong. That the power of practicing Qigong and Neigon. Now let's look at the method of Neidan. It was practiced by sitting at zazen position with LDT breathing. It has the same purpose of reaching the goal as in Qigong, Neigong. Finally, we have the Neigong practice is by standing, Neidan is by sitting and Qigong is by moving. Now I think I have a better understanding of each method. Before, I wasn't as clear as today. I am glad that I have initiated the OP.

You have misdefined "name" as 'moral" to put in the sentence makes no logical sense.

刑不勝正 Haha, that was a typo. It seems to come out that way.

I don't see any continuity in your posts. I am lost. I will stop here.

Thank you for reminding me being the lack of understanding of the Chinese language! However, I was concerned about the logic more than anything else.

How in the world have you come up with this definition? Based on your definition, the line should read as follows: 2. A moral that can be moraled is not an eternal moral.

Yes, 邪不勝正.

So far, I've mastered the vital breathing. You think that I can counteract the fatal one?

Where did you get that idea? How did you come up with the logic like that? Yeah, one is talking about apples and the other is talking about oranges. Right on!

That may be hard to breathe the same air in one room.

What adding postnatal or prenatal energy are you talking about? I don't think you have the TCM definition down pad yet. Please try not to be an energymaniac.

I see that you have heard some wild Taoist tales.

Yes, it was understood that we do not breathe with the abdomen. The reason it was called abdominal breathing is that when we breathe in deeply, the abdomen is fully expanded. For those who didn't know, like the ancient Taoists, they saw the movement of the abdomen and thought it was doing all the breathing. The esoteric term was also called the Qigong breathing, LDT breathing, dantian breathing, and other various names.

Please keep in mind that I am a retired engineer. For that said, I must deal with logic and facts to support any rationale. I understand the mechanics of the respiratory system. However, I am having a problem understanding the difference between the external and internal breath. I don't see that we could say it in a similar way as external and internal in bleeding. You have a good explanation of the body mechanics with modern science. Something that the ancient Taoists did not have the luxury like we do. However, I have taken this luxury to go further in explaining it biologically using the cell respiration theory. That is where the oxygen and ATP energy come into the picture. The description in the above quote is actually known as abdominal breathing. Indeed, the internal breath is important. It goes into the biological aspect of cell respiration.

Did your teacher tell you why or what the dangerous part is if misapplied?

Okay! This part is very vague and illogical to me. I'd already explained my version using the three treasures. I had seen the same explanation online as the same as my version. As a matter of fact, that was where I had learnt it from.

Yes, I agree, that is the commonality of both methods.

As long as I see you mention breathing, I will accept that because it fits the modern native definition of Qigong! All the rest is immaterial.