ChiDragon

Okay, thank you for your patience. Since we have many ideas and definitions argued or agreed upon. I think we have enough information(aminition) to continue with the journey of Neidan. As I recall, I believe your question was referring to the quality in the achievement of my Taiji practice. Anyway, what I had changed in my body from the practice were: 1. I can breathe much deeper and more efficiently. It is the most important factor. 2. More alert 3. Faster reflex 4. Stay calmer in adverse situations. 5. Do not get fatigue too easily 6. More body strength to perform difficult task 7. My voice increased in tone makes it better for singing and able to handle more notes 8. Better mentality. The practice is mainly with the coordination of the breathing and the movements. You might say that Taiji is also the cultivation of 性 and 命.

Thank you. I couldn't agree more. The cultivation of 性 and 命 is not pertaining the Neidan. The cultivation was intended for one to be a better person as 真人. 真人 should be known as a "True man," other than a "real man" as commonly translated. The idea for being a True man is to have a good educated mind with a healthy body. BTW They don't called this as 性命雙修 for nothing, you know! A good educated mind is able to distinguish what is true or false and able to sort and filter things out with logic.

Yes, people made it too broad and lost its esoteric narrow meaning in the context. BTW The same problem applies the 气。

https://fabriziopregadio.com/files/PREGADIO_Destiny_Vital_Force_or_Existence.pdf I was wondering where are the people getting the confusion from. People took this as Bible. That was the problem. He wasn't sure what he is talking about. He may know the definition of the individual characters. However, he doesn't know what the individual meaning of 性 and 命 abide to definition of the cultivation. P.S. The cultivation of 性 and 命 is not pertaining the Neidan. The cultivation was intended to be a better person as 真人. 真人 should be known as a "True man," other than a "real man" as commonly translated. The idea for being a True man is to have a good educated mind with a healthy body. BTW They don't called this as 性命雙修 for nothing you know. Quoted from the above: "Neidan or Internal Alchemy has developed two main modes of selfcultivation. The first is based on cultivating the mind and intends to remove the causes that prevent one from “seeing one’s true nature,” which is equated with the Elixir. The second is based on purifying the main components of the human being—Essence (jing 精 ), Breath (qi 氣 ), and Spirit (shen 神 )—so that they may serve as ingredients of the Elixir. These two modes of self-cultivation are said to place an emphasis on xing 性 and on ming 命 , respectively. However, Neidan texts repeat time and again that xing and ming can only be understood and realized in conjunction with one another." I can accept that the 精 as essence. However, 氣 is definitely doesn't mean breath here. Rather, it is the vital force to keep the body to function. Also, it is not an energy. 神 is not spirit, rather it is a driving force to keep the body in motion.

Therefore, it is still one world.

Rephrase: If Dao is “invisible with potential,” then it already has properties. If it has properties, it is not nothing. Therefore the concept does not contradict itself. Good point. Very logical. I would replace the word "nothingness" to "invisible", then, there is no argument. Laotze had already defined Tao is either visible and invisible in Chapter One. It was the first thing that he pointed out before anything else. If someone misread that, then, there is no need to go any further for the translation. Sorry, the way it was written is very paradoxical. That was his style of thinking. He always say something negatively but ended up positive. No one can deny the authenticity of the TTC that was not written by him. Laotze was a wise man, a sage to be exact.

Tao is either visible or invisible for us to grok in our world. One world.

May I see why you said that?

Yes, I figured that there was something hidden in the username. Without any explanation, I see 性命雙修 is taken place in your daily life. What a coincidence, Wu Wei helps me to do the same. So far it eased my heart from a lot of burden, improved my health, clarified my mind, pacified internal conflicts, harmonized my human relationships...all this is very real for sure. You've said it all. The mutual resonance on our part 可算得是知己知彼. No wonder the friendly gesture is unavoidable.

Yes, well said! I see that differently. Perhaps, you might give an example to make it a valid statement. Yes, Chapter Two had laid out beautifully. I am curious about what you have said here, would you please elaborate on that. Thanks!

The part you said "It's excellent for resource gathering" that I agree. " but if you express an idea to it it'll always agree with you" I may not see this is a valid statement.

True. Very true. Exactly true. Couldn't agree more. Welcome to the Taoist /non-Taoist site. It seems you are very knowledgeable of the TTC. I love to read your words. What you had said is total relevant and resonant with anyone who understands the TTC. Thank you very much for your contribution of the profound philosophical presentation.

Yes, there is an exception here. We have Taoist police. 🤫

Please don't ask tough questions like that on TDB.

And listening to American music.

Before your disappearance, I must tell you that your username is very impressive.

TY I expected that you won't be here long. I was just about going to ask you. Have you given up yet?😂 PS I will be missing you, my friend.

我們可以從以下三個層次來理解： 1. 起源：早於全真教 「性」指心性、神、意識；「命」指身體、氣、能量。 先秦時期： 《易經》中已有「窮理盡性，以至於命」的說法，這被視為性命雙修的思想源頭。 唐宋內丹家： 在王重陽之前，鍾離權和呂洞賓（鍾呂內丹派）以及北宋的張伯端（南宗始祖，著有《悟真篇》）就已經明確提出了性命雙修的思想。張伯端強調「只修祖性不修丹，萬劫陰靈難入聖」，主張身體與心靈必須同時修煉。 2. 王重陽的貢獻：確立體系 王重陽雖然不是發明者，但他創立的全真教（北宗）對此有獨特的貢獻和偏重： 正式確立為教義： 王重陽將「性命雙修」明確列為全真道的修煉大綱，提出「性命是修行之根本」。 「先性後命」的特點： 與南宗（先命後性）不同，王重陽和全真七子更強調先修性、後修命。他認為應先從「澄心遣欲」入手，心性定下來後，再進行身體能量（命功）的轉化。

I had read a lot already. I can even tell you who invented the Cultivation of Xing and Ming. You just wait.

The universal concept of 性命雙修 is cultivation of the mind and body. The esoteric term to a Taoist for the mind is 性 as 性格 and 品牲. And for the for body is 命。These terms are universal to a Taoist. Even a native person cannot be understood as such without guidance or proper explanation.

The concept of the method of Neidan is the method and universal. Why should it be different from school to school. Why does matter where the source is coming from? Perhaps the documental descriptions may have a slight variation. However, the concept does not change.

In modern term, it is more easy to be comprehensive It is interesting that 身气神 are used here instead of 精气神. 这句话出自《淮南子·原道训》，是道家思想中关于身、气、神三者关系的经典论述。它通过类比政治秩序，阐述了生命健康的根本在于“各司其职”。 以下是为您整理的详细解读： 1. 核心字词翻译 形（形体）： 指肉体躯壳，是生命的载体（“生之所”）。 气（元气）： 指维持生命的能量和动力，是生命的根本（“生之元”）。 神（精神/灵魂）： 指心智、主宰，是生命的统帅和控制者（“生之制”）。 位/职： 它们各自应当处于的位置和担负的功能。 相干： 互相干扰、互相僭越 2. 现代文意译 这段话的意思是： “人的形体是生命的寄托处，元气是生命的本源，精神是生命的统帅。如果其中任何一个失去了它应有的位置，那么形、气、神三者都会受到伤害。因此，懂得养生之道的人（圣人）会使这三者各就其位，各守其职，互不干扰。”

It was just the idea of Wu Wei(無為) has not been caught up with the world yet.

Haha You have no idea that how many chapters I am disagreed with. Try Chapter One. I love to hear this chapter from you and compare with mine.

I think we ran into a situation of 先入為主. Something we had learnt is hard to unlearn it. The biggest problem, here, is the language barrier with no common ground to stand on. One side tells the other side is wrong. It is the stubbornness of both sides won't yield one to the other. Perhaps it is impossible. Thus it ended with 牛頭不對馬咀, then, it comes a standing still. Luckily, just between you and I do not have a communication problem. My heart is calm and blood pressure is normal as I type. This is good for 性命雙修。