ChiDragon

For your interest, personally, I am not a believer of that. However, my wife bought a Kuen Yin(觀音) Statue, and she paid $10 to have it blessed by a lady. What she did was placed the statue on an altar and recite some incantation. The statue was left on the altar until the person comes to pick it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiguang 開光 Please don't take it literally as "opening light". It is actually a ritual act to bless an object or figure by a high rank religious official before someone take it home for display.

chegg..... Wisely said! The truth is invincible.

I wonder is there any video showing someone spinning from a spiral fa jin. It would be something spectacular to see.

FYI.... Meditation will replace some of the sleep that one was missing. One will be more refreshing after a meditation session than from a long period of sleep. That is one of the main purposes for meditation. @opendao How many people have died from meditation that you are aware of? PS.... I prefer to use the term Dazou(打坐) for meditation is because it is most definitely includes the Taoist method of breathing which is Tu Na(吐吶).

That was only in the eyes of the beholder. One likes to see what one wants to see. One may not want others to see what one may not want to see. One may also want to muddy the waters more muddier to cover what one doesn't know. Of course, this is really none of my concern.

I haven't gotten an adequate or definite answer from you, so far, since your presence in the forum. I can see where you stand in the cultivation of Xing Kung. Fortunately, I think I know how you think; but sorry to say that I still don't know what is in your mind. Perhaps it's enough for being not knowing.

I think the pertinent information in this thread is quite adequate. What comes first is up to the preference of each school. It is not up to me. I would follow the recommendation of the Quanzhen Tao. The mind is before the body.

DCXM.

The cultivation of Xing in Quanzhen is to transform a "false mind" into a "true mind" rather than face reality as one might thought. To a Taoist, a false mind is full of contaminants which is deceiving the mind from seeing things clearly. A true mind only see and isolate the facts among the chaotic fallacies. Any uncertainty or assumption will make the thought incomplete which puts the mind into a state of falsehood. Thus it has not met the canon of Quanzhen Tao.

You know you have reminded me of once I had received a book written by a Buddhist monk. There was a big character of 禪 (Zen) on the cover. When the lady handed me the book, I thought that I can read and find out something about Zen. However, the whole book was about what Zen is not. It had never said what Zen was all about in the one inch thick book.

The most trivial is the hardest for someone to see. Do you know how difficult for some people to be held back on some verbal abuse?

It sounds like one will never know. I would use my own discretion on your denial remarks, perhaps.

Gladly, if you would kindly go back to Post #2 and compare with the thread and site below; you will see a difference of interpretation. http://thetaobums.com/topic/25984-xing-and-ming-essence-and-life-in-the-ddj/ http://silenttao.com/2010/03/cultivating-xing-and-ming/ Another example is not the native language per se but in a Taoist esoteric term. The Taoist term "採藥". Its direction translation is to "pick some medicine". In western thinking, any herbal plant has not been processed was not considered as a medicine yet but still a herb. In Chinese thinking, any herb was considered to be a medicine because it does something good for the body. Therefore, to a Chinese native, to pick some herbs means to pick some medicine. However, to a Chinese Taoist, "採藥" has a complete different definition. If a Taoist says he is going to the hills to "pick some herbs", it actually means the Taoist is going up the hills to breathe some fresh air.

My belated answer to the OP.... Yes, there is such thing as Classical Daoism. The original Daoism was the high morality of human conduct until the Taoist religion came into the picture. Then, the definition of Daoism has to be changed to distinguish the difference.

Stosh.... Your presentation on "selfish" was used in a positive way which a scholar would have done. Thus people have no objection about that. However, people will not be tolerated if it was used in a negative sense. Selflessness is like someone had done something negative to a Taoist; and the Taoist will not see or hear what has been taken place as long as it's not a matter of life or death. Another words, if a Taoist was being insulted, the selfless Taoist would think nothing of it is because verbal attack means nothing but only just words. Insults are only mental teasing. A Taoist can tolerate any mental abuse due to the high cultivated level of Xing Kung(mind discipline).

It seems to me that other cultures do not see it that way due to the language difficulty; and the true meaning of Quanchen Tao (全真道) had been altered, in the translation, to "Complete Reality". Since the translation didn't reflect its true meaning, my conclusion which leads me to say it is only pertinent within the context of Chinese society.

The eight basic postures for the most effective way in Fa Jin(發勁). 1. 掤(peng) using one arm parallel to the chest, Fa Jin is by turning the waist to the left or right. It depends what the opponent was coming from. The purpose is to keep the opponent from further advancing toward you. 2. 捋)(le2) using the palm to Fa Jin. 3. 擠(ji3) using the back of the hand to Fa Jin. 4. 按(an2) using the waist with both hands as leverage to Fa Jin. 5. 採(cai3) using ten fingers to Fa Jin. 6. 挒(lie2) using both lower arms to Fa Jin. 7. 肘(zhou3) using the elbow to Fa Jin. 8. 靠(kao2) using the shoulder and chest to Fa Jin. In order to Fa Jin(發勁), one must know what Jin(勁) is and how to develop it in the first place. Without Jin in the body, then there is no way one can Fa Jin. FYI These are the eight basic fundamental postures emphasized where the strength(Jin, 勁) was exerted. For clarification, I will rephrase them. The video has a very good explanation of what they are. Ref: video http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=%E5%A4%AA%E6%A5%B5%E5%B1%A5+in+youtube&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=308441AA4E5DE20AD836308441AA4E5DE20AD836

Sorry, I guess I am in the wrong crowd if we are not talking about the same "peng".

Has anyone heard of that a Chi Kung practitioner die of cancer?

Let Nature take its course.

Who is asking you about the pretenders....???

Okay! Have you seen a broken Taoist?

Gentlemen.... Come on. We all knew the concept of Yin-Yang. Yin is Yin and Yang is Yang. They work together as whole. However, when an expert start saying Yin is Yang and Yang is Yin, then it would be question to be challenged. Intellectually, all has to be in a logical sense and explicitly stated. Those who knew the concept already would have no problem understanding it. The concern here is about those who do not.

To a Taoist is a one way street, but to MH is a two way street.