ChiDragon

The best quote of the day, yet, pertaining to this thread.

Thank you for the kind words! There is nothing to be ashamed of but it's only a matter of mutual understanding. In regards to "sink chi to the LDT". It is merely a description for a feeling that below the navel when a deep breath was taken by someone. Here is the sequence for a normal deep breath only: The air went into the nostrils filling up the lung fully, the diaphragm goes downward causing the abdomen to be expanded all the way. Under the condition at this instance, it was said to be that "the chi was being sunk to the Dan Tien". The Chinese Taoist called the location where the abdomen is the "丹田" but, for simplicity, it was understood it was referring to as the "low Dan Tien". If you have noticed that any martial artist or Chi Kung practitioner, the first thing that they do was to take a deep breath. Under the instruction from a teacher, the first thing he will do is to take a deep breath. Then tell the student: "This is Chi sunken to the Dan Tien". Therefore, physically, the student took a deep breath; and mentally was understood it was 氣沉丹田(Chi sunken to the Dan Tien) with no questions ask.

Thanks for the definitions. They are relative for those who, only, wear the shoes for one side. One would have a different view if one sees both sides of the story. Anyway, one has to be experienced to see it like someone has been saying here constantly. As you can see is more of a cultural thing than what you call racism. I don't know have you been noticed in the past few months, there were some Chinese friends came to visit the forum and using the same tone as I was. However, they did not stay too long because they wear not accepted here due to the difficulty in cultural communication. Unfortunately, that is the ways things are. The reason that I am sticking around is because I had been exposed to the western culture and try to break the ice gap. Even though, I know due the constitutional rights, there are certain things are restricted not to say in public; but, hey, how are we going to communicate without some sacrifice. Somehow, we put ourselves in a dilemma. PS..... I do thank you for all your endurance for my presence.

With 12 oz. Chi in a container too?

If your mind have been made up, there is no point to discuss it any further to derail this thread. Thank you!

It would be hard for someone, especially, when one is having a strong animosity against one particular individual and always twisting the positive into negative. One is always trying to find fault in others for his amusement and dragged others to joint him will never be satisfied with himself. Enlightenment is waiting for you to be realized that not all things are to be negatively viewed toward others. PS..... I will take a deep breath for..........!!!

Please don't forget the most important part is to take a deep breath.

The word "racist" is not in my dictionary. I say it with Taoist honor. It was only in your mind.

This is hard to accept, isn't it.....???

I like your scramble logic without following the sequence of events. I do update my knowledge daily, don't you? There is something that I don't know today but I will find out tomorrow. Likewise, I do make correction for my mistake from the new thing that I learned. There may be something I have been practicing without knowing at times. Fortunately, I have become enlightened by finding the answer instead of grabbing pieces from here and there. Unfortunately, there are some people, here, are 唯恐天下不亂, by picking random notes with a purpose to belittle someone without merits. Please enjoy your day and happy for being a plodder. PS.... Keep coming, it is good for my Xing Kung practice and please don't forget to pay some attention to my new signature.

Is it because you did not hear what you want to hear....??? To be honest with you, if the lineage did not recognize the phrase "氣沉丹田", sink Chi to the Dan Tien; that "the 丹田(Dan Tien) in the phrase was understood that is referring to the lower Dan Tien", then go find another lineage that does!

Yes, but It is very consistent in the Chinese language. The only consistency one can find, in the West, are some fallacies and fiction stories. As you can see, that is why you are reading all these inconsistent wild tales about Dan Tien. If you have doubt, then you just have to question and determine which is a fact or fallacy yourself. I wouldn't accept all the things that I've read as facts. Be careful who you are talking to, even me. What it comes to is use your own judgement.

It's not really our problem but let's hope for the best.......

Perhaps, this maybe in the West; but the phrase "氣沉丹田", sink Chi to the Dan Tien, was referring to the same thing for centuries since the existence of Gong Fu in the East. The 丹田(Dan Tien) in the phrase was understood that is referring to the lower Dan Tien throughout the martial arts industry. Anyway, it is immaterial right now how it came about. The important thing is that we have established the definition of Dan Tien(丹田) and should be treated it as a fact for the consistency of communication. Let's hope this will avoid further confusion in the future discussions. Hopefully, we will not hear fallacies like 1. My Dan Tien was torn. 2. Rotating the Dan Tien 180 degrees. 3. I am going to fill my Dan Tien with Chi.

Thank you for your kind words. That was only aiming at the unreasonable ones. Please ignore my ignorance.

They did not have any scientific knowledge then, so, do we have to follow their footsteps in modern time and space age....???

Well, that was a gross analogy. First of all, one would know not to shoot the basket from underneath. Perhaps one would know, ahead, to shoot it from the top. Secondly, one wouldn't jump into the ocean as beginner for a swim. Thirdly, If I ask for the time, there is no need for you to tell me how the clock was constructed. For the same token, there is no need to know how the bike was constructed. One just need to know how to balance oneself and paddle.

Why would you like to be emphasized on the former and disregard the latter....??? The concrete experiences are revealed from the phrase "氣沉丹田". It is a matter of understanding rather than taken 20 years of practice for one to perceive it. PS.... Don't you think by knowing the theory before performing the actual practice is more beneficial than doing it blindly.,,,???

Yes, but this is not something to be humor about....

Is that what you think the case was.....??? IMO It didn't has to be this way. It was only in one's unintuitive mind. BTW 丹(Dan) is not 道(Tao), you know.....!!! Sigh!!!

Sigh! Sigh! Sigh! I just want to cry after reading these posts here. :( I was told by many members, here, by not reading too many books but go find myself a good teacher and learn from him/her. I see that many TTB members had paid some teachers, bought many books to read, and even went to China to learn martial arts and many Kungs(功). What has been bothering me was since they had learn all the good things from their masters, but still cannot come up with a good definition of Dan Tien. I am really feeling sorry for them for trying to figure it themselves by trial and error and doing lots of guess work. IMHO There must be a conclusion which can be reached to come up with a true definition about all these. Don't you all think so? Don't you think that we could come up with something concrete, so, everyone can live with it by consensus?

Dawei.... I have been holding my cool on you and some of the TTB members for all this time. Don't you think that was part of the cultivation of Xing Kung on my part? It is part of the Quanzhen cannon that I am holding myself to. FYI The four cardinal vices (酒色財氣). 氣(temperament) is an advice for one not to be 生氣(angry) under adversity. Anymore questions? PS...... Even through I have no idea about Xing at the beginning, but it was not to late to get myself educated which was suggested by the 全真道. My practice was not too far off. Was it?

NotVoid, Thanks for the kind words. I am practicing the DCXM which require me to follow the principles of the Quanzhen Tao. One of the requirement is to isolate the facts from the fallacies and opinions. What I am putting out here are not my personal opinions but from the high standards of the Quanzhen Tao. Some of the people were against me was because they only thought it was some translation from some fancy Chinese words without basis. I saw those who had accused me of putting lots of craps which only their personal opinions. Thus I haven't seen any merits in their presentations which are so convincing in any way. Most of time, I only see statements to say what is not rather than what it is. However, due to my present practice in DCXM, I have great tolerance for this kind of activities. PS..... There is really noting serious about what was going on in the forum, it is only a matter how one handles the adverse situations with calmness.

To those whom may concern.... I am sorry that I got involved with this thread. Due to the lack of the desirable knowledge, in your opinion, I will no longer be involved with those who do not wish to listen to this dumb China man, yours truly.