ChiDragon

The purpose of this thread is really about DCXM. The definition of DCXM has been established here. If there was any alteration to its definition, then, it will invalidate the philosophy of the Quanzhen Tao(全真道). Why Xing Kung is so important to us? It is because the body is manipulated by the mind. Therefore, the mind must be fine tuned to keep its function to the peak. The Chinese Taoists had sat up a four taboos as canon for the DCXM, 酒色財氣(alcohol, libido, wealth and temperament). These four criteria are inter reacting which effect the mind and the body, inversely, to their normal functions and development. So far, the members had discussed many ways to cultivate the Ming Kung but not much in the Xing Kung department, so to speak. Since there were some confusions about the Quanzhen Tao(全真道) in some recent threads, perhaps we could have them cleared up, here, objectively. I think it would be more advantageous if we have spent more time in Xing Kung. Even though we don't have to be a Taoist, perhaps we may learn from that to have some mental self-discipline.

The Taoist way is the cultivation of Xing Kung which is to enhancing one's patience, stamina and endurance.

真人(true person) is an esoteric term which is used by Chinese Taoists excluding all external meaning or influence. Most westerners were trying to over interpret the Chinese term by lumping different ideas and stuck into one term. That was how all the confusion begins. This is an esoteric term for addressing a highly cultivated Taoist priest. A highly cultivated is not a 聖人. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been called a 真人(true person). If you are trying to introduce the Catholic and Confucianism thoughts to relate to the Taoist term, sorry, I think you are in a wrong place. ****** End of discussion ***** PS..... No offense, I'm just trying to avoid confusing the issue here in the thread.

For a Chinese Confucian Buddhist, if there is such an animal, it is roughly right.

Is the Taoist way to handle the OP. It's a big challenge for MH.

In Confucian, ancestor worship is a matter of remembrance and honor the ancestors and it has nothing to do rebirth. Rebirth is a belief in Buddhism only.

walker..... These are the only comments I hear from you all the time. Is there anything else new that you know about me....??? Why don't you read the messages correctly instead of twisting the words and killing the messenger. I don't think you understood a word I had said due to your preconceived idea about me not practicing anything at all. FYI You didn't hear anything from me about any of your comments because I have reservation for you. No hard feeling! Edited to add a smile.

全真(Quanzhen) is "ALL TRUE". Thus there shouldn't be any doubt in DCXM(性命雙修). The cultivation of Xing is to keep the mind free of contaminants to attain a state of true mind. Let's keep it this way. All corrections should be made accordingly if there was any misunderstanding. It is part of the principles in the DCXM. Please don't try to fight the system because fallacies will fall apart at the final end.

Thanks! Okay, I would fine tune my body with Chi Kung to make it more "true"......!!! Edited to add: Btw DCXM is the whole purifying process itself. It was applied before. Hence, there was no mistake on my part.

Do you know what is DCXM stand for....??? That was a test for you and you failed. Sorry, you'd fell into my trap. Next time please be careful. I am not so easy to be dealt with. PS.... If I haven't read the classics, then I wouldn't have gone this far. Right....???

七真道派 or 北七真道派 was collectively originated from the Quanzhen Tao. 七真 was referred to, 全真七子, the seven disciples of Wang Zhongyang. 道派 was referred to a "Taoist sect". 七真道派 was understood short for the seven schools of the Quanzhen Tao. Technically, it was a collective term actually was saying 七全真道派: The seven schools which were found by the seven disciples of the Quanzhen Tao. In Chinese is OK to drop the "全" character because it was understood mentally by the natives. However, in English was not understood due to the demand of a precise description of everything. BTW 全真道, 全真派, 全真教 are synonyms 真道派(Zhen Tao Pai) is not the proper name or synonyms for 全真道(Quanzhen Tao). I know everything you said pertaining to the Quanzhen Tao is true because I know the language but others aren't. So, please make the correction to avoid any future challenges about the legit of the Taoist sect.

So, what Neidan is all about? Well, according to the definition of the DCXM, Neidan is the cultivation of the inner mind and the inner body. When the inner mind and body of a person become purified from contamination, it was said to be that a person has attained to a state with a true mind and true body. Hence, this person becomes a 真人(true person) without contaminant and that is why a highly cultivated Taoist priest was being addressed as.

If you practice Tai Chi or Taoist practice is suffice for your health. Why do you think that you need to take amanita muscaria or some other supplements?

I think the seven schools of Zhen Dao that you are referring to are the schools of the seven disciples of the Wang Zhongyang(王重陽). The proper description of the schools should be identified as the "seven schools of Quanzhen Tao", 全真道; but why did you drop the first character Quan(全) in your description, Vitalli? You see how that creates a big confusion? These are the seven schools of Quanzhen Tao. 馬鈺——丹陽子，遇仙派 譚處端——長真子，南無派 劉處玄——長生子，隨山派 丘處機——長春子，龍門派 王處一——玉陽子，崳山派 郝大通——廣寧子，華山派 孫不二——清靜散人，清靜派

It is rather confusing with the Taoist terminologies when they are putted into English. For example, 全真道(Quanzhen Tao), All True Tao was commented by members of TTB that is not good English. If we drop the first character 真道(Zhen Tao), then we have "True Tao". Why should we be so concerned about the nomenclature rather than its contents? Do we always judge the book by its cover? Come on. IMO Vitalii and Zhen Tao are legitimate.

The distinctive differences are: Confucian is intentional and Taoist is unintentional. Wu Wei(無為) is unintentional. You Wei(有為) is intentional.

IMO A true Taoist is manifested by one's cultivated behavior but not by certification. Certification means to buy a piece of paper with money where some people make a profit out of it.

For your interest, personally, I am not a believer of that. However, my wife bought a Kuen Yin(觀音) Statue, and she paid $10 to have it blessed by a lady. What she did was placed the statue on an altar and recite some incantation. The statue was left on the altar until the person comes to pick it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiguang 開光 Please don't take it literally as "opening light". It is actually a ritual act to bless an object or figure by a high rank religious official before someone take it home for display.

chegg..... Wisely said! The truth is invincible.

I wonder is there any video showing someone spinning from a spiral fa jin. It would be something spectacular to see.

FYI.... Meditation will replace some of the sleep that one was missing. One will be more refreshing after a meditation session than from a long period of sleep. That is one of the main purposes for meditation. @opendao How many people have died from meditation that you are aware of? PS.... I prefer to use the term Dazou(打坐) for meditation is because it is most definitely includes the Taoist method of breathing which is Tu Na(吐吶).

That was only in the eyes of the beholder. One likes to see what one wants to see. One may not want others to see what one may not want to see. One may also want to muddy the waters more muddier to cover what one doesn't know. Of course, this is really none of my concern.

I haven't gotten an adequate or definite answer from you, so far, since your presence in the forum. I can see where you stand in the cultivation of Xing Kung. Fortunately, I think I know how you think; but sorry to say that I still don't know what is in your mind. Perhaps it's enough for being not knowing.

I think the pertinent information in this thread is quite adequate. What comes first is up to the preference of each school. It is not up to me. I would follow the recommendation of the Quanzhen Tao. The mind is before the body.