ChiDragon

bakeneko.... Tuna(吐吶) was the classic term for the modern term Chi Kung(氣功).

JMO.......good There is no JMO on my part. It was straightly linguistic understanding. 心府 means just "heart" in classics. This term is used for expression in a deeper meaning and sounds more poetic by advanced scholars.

Yes, you are quite right about that. Let's hope one knows where the oneself is standing on......!!!

A comment to the OP. No one knows but someone does. The majority in the "no one knows" do not or never know enough to recognize who was telling the truth.

Did you tell me that your teacher had verified all these of what you are feeding us......???

Thanks Vitalii. You know your Chinese well. It was the simplified character, 递, that threw me off. Now it has come to my senses. 手脚递互，伸缩三五下 Mutually alternate the arms and legs, extend and contract (them) three to five times.

The difference in the two is: The former is in a lotus position, the latter may not have to be in the lotus position. Thus one may sit on a chair. However, one must keep in mind, deep breathing should be taken place while sitting. That is the whole purpose of meditation.

It is because I am not sure what the 三五(3 and 5) are referring to.

1) "是以日出当用艮卦之时，以养元气。 勿以利名动其心，勿以好恶介其意。 Do not let rich and famous to tempt your heart, do not let good or evil enter your conscience. 披衣静坐，以养其气； Zazen with a clothes lay on the shoulders to maintain the Chi. 绝念忘情，微作引导。 Get rid of desire and forget your feelings as a good start. 手脚递互，伸缩三五下，使四体之气齐生，内保元气上升以朝于心府" Cross your hands and legs(Lotus position) ...... Mutually alternate the arms and legs, extend and contract three to five times. Let the Chi to be produced in the arms and legs. Internally, keep the Yuan Chi ascend toward the heart. 盘膝坐 = Lotus position

This is evasive to defy science. IMO One need to open up the mind for new knowledge. Those old Chinese thinking are only conceptual and just make a believer of out somebody. They have no scientific knowledge but why should we.....??? How come we cannot or just don't want to link the modern science to those ancient concepts to make some sense out of them. Do we want to keep ourselves in the dark by accepting those ancient ideas blindly....???

According to the above reference, the Waidan process was passed down by the word of mouth. It has never been documented. Therefore, there were lots of discrepancies. Anyway, all the Taoist methods are only conceptual with no significant scientific values. IMO The only valid practice is Chi Kung. It is the only practice that I can come up with a good scientific explanation. Ref: Waidan 外丹術

I will look into the former. However, the Yuan Jing in the latter was mentioned to be restored is not a valid statement. It is because by definition, Yuan Jing(元精) is the original jing that must be existed at all time for vitalization. Thus there is no need to be restored. If it does, then one is dead already. Okay, that was what you wrote. Did you have someone verify it....???

One can stay away from the mirror of somebody else's level of understanding but it is better to be bilingual to have a higher chance of comprehension. There is always something get lost from translation to translation. Sometimes, even natives have lots of misinterpretations, perhaps, with more or less errors.

There is an explanation in modern science to back this up. I had done that many times but nobody cares about it. If someone wants to know why it works should read about muscle contraction and cell respiration.

Waidan is a process to manufacture an elixir by external means such as using elements and minerals baked in a cauldron with fire. It may not be related the DDJ directly at all. Waidan was existed during the Warring States. BTW How did you come to this conclusion......???

If one stays on the small hills, then one will not see what is on top of the mountains......... There is a thing called "cultivation of the mind" at different levels. It is called 道行. The revelation of the level is based on the behavior or how one presents oneself besides verbal expression.

一山還有一山高 There is always a mountain higher than another Therefore, who is to say who is the best....!!!

Chi, however one wants to define it, it has the purpose of serving the vital function of the body. It gives one the inner energy to perform all the functions for the internal organs. As long chi was generated inside the body, it will give the body to grow, develop and heal. If "Read that both offer the same exercises", then, why should it be different.....??? The only difference was the opinions from one another but physically and biologically make no difference. IMO I don't see how can the energy in the body can be outdated. The human body repairs itself whenever there was a need. The rate of the healing process depends on how much inner energy was available, at the time, or how much the body can be spared. The people who practice Chi Kung will increase the rate of healing because a greater amount of energy was produced inside the body. The amount of energy will become an excess, it can be used for any function inside the body or diminished in few seconds if not used. Then, it has to be waited for the next cycle of energy generation.

Those hours are reversed. It should read as follows: Zi(子) (11pm–1am) Wu(午) (11am–1pm).

If you want to play with semantics, I will play along with you because it's my game...... From the Yijing(易經): 先天八卦: early version Buaga 後天八卦: later version Buga.

There was no difference of the definition 灰心 from the past to present. You need to give me a better reason than that.

Please, 枯坐, "dully sitting" is not even a technique term of any kind. It was only merely suggesting when one meditates(打坐) do not just sit there like one is bored. That is what one try to avoid which was mentioned by Vitalii. 枯坐 was used in the phrase 不可枯坐, "do not sit dully". It must be interpreted within context. The whole phrase was: 不 可 枯 坐 灰 心 Do not(不 可) just sit dully(枯 坐) like you were bored and get discouraged(灰 心) or gave up.

I'll rephrase: Prenatal breathing is the umbilical breathing of a fetus in the mother womb. Postnatal breathing is using the lungs after birth. It was given, self understood, self explanatory and universal. The Yijing defines: 先天(Pre-Heaven): Prenatal 後天(Post-Heaven): Postnatal

The way that the ancient Chinese Taoist(ACT) in describing the definition of Neidan is very esoteric and fictional. For the relevancy of the thread, I will try to be simple, brief and nonfictional. 內丹氣功(Nei Dan Chi Kung) (1) What is the Neidan method? Using the alchemical theory to describe the Neidan method, it is a form of Chi Kung The Naidan method is Chi Kung with the description of alchemical theory. Neidan is categorized as Chi Kung but it is a different concept of Chi Kung. Chi Kung was way before the Neidan method. There were many talks about Chi Kung during the Warring States. Until the East Han Dynasty, people were begin to talk the Neidan Chi Kung. Neiddan was came very late after the Waidan Method. The ACT try to find immortals and hunted for elixir but failed. Thus they tried to make the own elixir and alchemical pills but they have no effect. Thus they came up with a alchemy theory for internal elixir(Neidan) -- Chi Kung. The Neidan Chi Kung is only an offshoot of Chi Kung. It even includes more features, such as still sitting, indexing, hard Chi Kung and 辟穀(unknown) etc. The Neidan method belongs to the Chi Kung System of the Taoist religion. The Neidan method is practiced by Taoists; and Chi Kung is universal. However, the most scholars practice Chi Kung. unfortunately, the brief description of Neidan was kind of ridiculous and farfetched. Hence, nowadays, there are not many people are willing to accept it. Ref:Neidan Chin Kung(內丹氣功)