ChiDragon

恒無,欲以觀其妙. Whenever Tao is invisible, grok its quale. Whenever Tao is visible, observe its boundary. 恒有,欲以觀其徼.

天地之間 其猶橐籥 Between heaven and earth It's like a bellows 虛而不屈 動而愈出 Vacuous but inexhaustible Dynamic but invigorating

天地不仁 以萬物為芻狗 Heaven and Earth have no mercy Treat all things as straw dogs Nature has no mercy(不仁) in its action. Lightning, from Heaven, does not select a spot to strike. The flood, on Earth, will destroy anything in its path emotionless. Nature will take its course regardless. Hence, Nature is impartial.

My choice. 2. I read randomly every time. Every time I use the link, I read 5-10 (or whatever) and then choose the english word of choice. In other words, I NEVER go back to a translator I like or prefer... it is always random reading. I only care the english word and do not care about the translation or translator at all...

天地之間 其猶橐籥 Between heaven and earth It's like a bellows 虛而不屈 動而愈出 Vacuous but inexhaustible Dynamic but invigorating

天地不仁 以萬物為芻狗 Heaven and Earth have no mercy Treat all things as straw dogs

Hmmmm.....That's quite an assumption there....!!! FYI..... I go with the logical meanings of the words regardless of who said what again....!!! My source is the same source that everyone has been using. http://web.archive.org/web/20101019071818/http://home.pages.at/onkellotus/TTK/_IndexTTK.html

Well, I do peek into the English sources to find some good words to use for my translation. I think you still don't get my drift here. I think I did made myself very clear at another Tao site. If I want to learn American history, I go to an American school. For the same token, if I want to learn Chinese, I go the a Chinese school. So, I can get the words from the horses mouth as how they say it. How long do you want to drag this argument everywhere we go.....???

Being Chinese has nothing to do with the result of the understanding. It was the understanding is the result learned from other reliable native sources. I do admit there are bad sources too but they have much less errors than those from translation to translation. I go with the logic of what was being said rather than who says it. MH is no Chinese, I don't know how the hell he understood what I had been saying...... At least I have a good understanding of the principle of Wu Wei. I do not kick people out of my thread because they don't agree with me. I have never insisted that I am always correct without a reasonable cause. @MH.... You must have some good reliable sources.......!!!

Yes, the members can edit the title but the "Use Full Editor" function must be used in the OP.

三十幅共一轂， 當其無， 有車之用。 Thirty spokes with one hub, Where there is space, It has the function of a carriage.

清靜無為 Complete stillness and Wu Wei

So far, no one has come up with a good English description or definition of Neigong(內功) yet. Once people understand what it is, it would make it much more clear to be practiced. One should be able to classify which type of method is Neigong or not. The key to it is to tell it what it is and don't say what it isn't......!!!!

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IMO It sounds like your sugar level was low. PS...... Few month ago, this never happened to me. Normally, I have a snack in the late afternoon but one day. I was working on something, all the sudden I feel weak and my head was light. Then I lied down, I see the walls in my room were spinning for few minute. I waited the spinning stopped, I was rushed to get something to eat. Then I'm alright. I knew my sugar level low from my past experience when I was a kid.

This was what Zhuang Tze said: " The pile of shit is part of the process of Tao because that was the reason(tao)". Tao was not really there. It was only the process of Tao which had been taken place there.

處眾人之所惡 Water attain places where people disdain 故幾於道 Thus this is close to the characteristic of Tao

上善若水 The most kind(person) is like water 水善利萬物而不爭 Water is good at benefiting all things but not contentious

道淨若水 Tao is pure like water

You are still a gentleman and a scholar in my book........ @ all.... Thank you....!!!

Lines 10 and 11, in the original classic, had specified both Tao and Te to establish the the distinction of the two. Otherwise, the classic wouldn't be called the Tao Te Ching. 10.道(Tao) 生之:(Tao engenders it), 11.德(Te ) 畜之:(Te rears it). MH: "But I will still suggest that Tao is the creating force and Te is the sustaining force." I agree with you 99.99% on this one.

It is fine with me whatever it takes. Let this thread take it course.

有物混成 Something was formed from chaos 先天地生。 Before Heaven and Earth. 吾不知其名， 強字之曰道。 I don't know it's name. I reluctantly call it Tao. For the convenience of description.

A Taoist thought does imply that someone need to have some general insights to appreciate it. One can always go to the Tao Te Ching discussion section to refresh one's memory or get some basic idea and come back. Indeed, I do not wish to defend myself for every thought of the day that I've posted. Thank you very much for your interest. I think that would be a bi-linguistic problem on somebody's part. There is one English speaking member, with no Chinese background, has the prerequisite of the knowledge of the TTC. He has no problem in communication with me. That is a plus in his the contributions to TTB.