ChiDragon

Perhaps that's why there it was no harm done to the body. Unconscious is to knock someone out so one doesn't feel the pain. The purpose of analgesia is for someone not to feel the pain without knocking one out. FYI If you want to know, there are some acupoints that can put someone unconscious or death. However, putting someone unconscious is very dangerous; it may cause death or memory loss.

1. Yes. 2. Acupuncture but not acupressure. 3. Yes, it is safe I would say. I had seen a documentary showing acupuncture anesthesia for surgery which was practiced in China. Ref:

The key to be a "Free Wanderer" is to be independent of all attachments. If any affair engaged to an attachment with limitations, then one is not free. ZZ has sat up many examples in this chapter indicating who has an attachment and who was not.

I'm good as long as I don't use a hammer to force fit everything.

The reason they weren't mentioned is because they do not apply here..........!!!

All the sections in Chapter One are pertaining to the "Free Wandered". One may think that was all about "transformation" but it can be, only, forced to fit first three sections only. However, it seems to me that nobody can come across to section 4 with that idea.

Did this ever occur to you that "Let Nature take its course" has the other side of it also....??? Let Nature take its course, does it imply to you that "don't let Nature go off course". What happen when Nature go off course...??? In your case, you did exactly what you have to do by trying to correct the course of Nature. What happen if you have failed in the correction....??? If you die, then what happens....??? Nature still take its course.....!!! According to Lao Tze's philosophy, Nature take its course is when everything happens in a natural way. Sometimes, Nature do make an error which is being unnatural. When it was unnatural, then it went off course. Indeed, everybody can try to correct the course of Nature but not to control nor master it. PS..... You welcome, btw......

I would like to clarify something here and rephrase. In case one wants to know what the "Ho" is...??? It means river. "The mole drinks from the river." "the representative of the dead and the officer of prayer" Should be translated as "the master of the ritual ceremony for the dead" The metaphor is suggesting that in order to be a "Free Wanderer", one need to stay away from politics even though a highest office such a throne was offered. Thu this symbolize ZZ's philosophy for one to be a complete "Free Wanderer" by not assuming somebody else's responsibility.

Haven't I said enough for the why's......??? Are these your questions again or just exclamation......??? @Stosh...... Welcome back. Love to hear your eloquent spoken words....!!!

Well, when I've spoken of ZZ himself, it simply means he can be imagining himself or anyone could be a free wanderer. It was an advice for all really.

Well, apparently it is not okay. If we don't agree this far, our difference will be much great later on. I might have to be faded out the picture completely...............

That's funny....!!! Other translations: the Kun always transforms into Peng.......??? That is a key concept (transformation) in Chuang Tzu's philosophy.......??? IMO That was only his imagination to show his thoughts was different from the ordinary people. It was only a metaphor to indicate that Zhuang Tze himself does not want to stay in the little pond only seeing the sky above. To Zhuang Tze, a big fish is the ocean is like a small fish in a little pond. He said that was because he likes to think big and exaggerate by making a small scene into a big one. I don't think that ZZ's philosophy was about transformation. The title of Chapter One is the "Free Wanderer". A free wanderer must be able to travel as free as a big bird rather than a fish in a pond with restricted moving space. Therefore, the reader must consider the main philosophy in relationship with the title of the chapter. Otherwise, it would be meaningless by having all the concentrations on the small and large imaginary creatures.

No, I didn't forget.... That is a brand new ball game to open a can of worms which I can never put it in words. I have enough trouble with Chi Kung/Nei Kung already......

Well, Taoism has two sides, one is philosophy and the other is religion. Taoist beliefs begin with the philosophy then religion. Thus without the basic knowledge of the philosophy, then there would be no religion. Some people only study the philosophy without involving with the religion. However, they do believe in good health, so they practice Chi Kung from the advice given from the interpretation of the philosophy. The Taoist philosophy cannot be explained in one or two words. That is why some will get caught up in those aspects and sit around arguing and debating what is what instead of actually performing the practice itself and taking something so simple and making it unnecessarily complex. "To be integrated with nature is like gently floating in a river,going wherever it takes you"...was not "to overcome nature is to change the river you're floating in. (What I mean by overcoming/defying nature is very subjective!)" In the Taoist philosophy, integrate with Nature means to blend in with Nature instead of overcome Nature nor change the river you're floating in. Instead, a Taoist will be assured that the river was not disturbed in any way and leave it the way it was before if ever possible. Taoists are naturalists which do not want to interfere with Nature but let Nature take its course. The philosophy was known as 無為(WU Wei). We had quite a few long discussions about Wu Wei, in order, for people not to misinterpret it. Most people interpreted by its superficial meaning which lead them 10,000 miles away in their understand and way off basis.

How long have you been stopped your physical and meditation practices before you get sick......????

I think you have answered my question. Without realizing the purpose of Chi Kung, but you have accomplished what Chi Kung does for you. PS..... You have made my day. You are the first person who have given me a satisfactory answer about Chi Kung, even though it was indirectly......... :)

Taoist mainly dwell on the theoretical and philosophical aspects of Taoism is to have a fully understanding of their beliefs. Having a better understanding, to begin with, will be more meaningful and appreciative to perform the practice. Understanding nature is not to master it nor overcome it but integrated with it. There are lots of people are practicing qigong/neigong by absorbing the source of energy from the universe as part of integrating with Nature.

Okay.... May I ask when you do Chi Kung, do you do lots of breathing exercise, perhaps the abdominal breathing ......???

Is this what you have been told or through your experience......??? Anyway, I was referring to during practice, posture was insignificant at the time because the joints are stiff. However, after a prolong practice the posture will correct itself. I do agree correct posture will be more effective in issuing body strength. I don't think that energy flows in the body but only generated by the body.

Here are two thread in the TTB: http://thetaobums.com/topic/26925-interpretations-of-wu-wei/ http://thetaobums.com/topic/22132-what-is-wu-wei/

Yes, now you got hooked on Wu Wei.......!!! In order to be Wu Wei, the initial intend was to be Yu Wei to get to Wu Wei. Wu Wei is a patented term of Lao Tze, so to speak. However, to be more exactly, Wu Wei is not to interfere with Nature to cause any harm. Not causing harm to Nature is Lao Tze's primary concern. Wu Wei is to keep Nature in harmony. Lao Tze thinks interrupting Nature will cause it to go off balance. Thu this is the goal of Wu Wei we are striving for instead of Yu Wei. How does Wu Wei applied in one's life....??? There are many examples almost anyone can think of. For instance, if I am forcing you to believe what I believe, then I am interfering your personal thinking. Thus I was not being Wu Wei because I have interrupted the course of your life. Yes, there are few threads about Wu Wei but it is many many pages back in the Taoist Discussion section. Let me see if I can find them....!!!

Posture is only the looks, it was the movements that have the most effect on the body. The motion will correct the body alignment due to the enhancement in loosing up the tight muscles and tendons. The movements will act like lubricant for the stiff joints which allow more flexibility for the arms and legs.

Doing the MCO is not Taoist fundamentalism. Wu Wei is. MCO is only a process for Taoists to attain a condition for a healthier body.

Yes, Wu(無) and Yu(有) are complementary to each other. So is Wu Wei(無為) and Yu Wei(有為). Wu Wei(無為): have no intention(to commit an act); let Nature take its course and be natural. Yu Wei(有為): Have an intention(to commit an act); interfere with the course of Nature which considered to be unnatural.

I was afraid that you might say that.......