ChiDragon

May I ask what is the character for Huang? I can't figure it out by pinyin!

To get a complete comprehension of the Tao Te Ching should not be by preference. It requires an open mind with wisdom, intelligence and good judgment.

No, the two devices cannot be used to cross read them. The two kinds of signals require a different device to read them. However, humans are being bilingual, American or Chinese may read both languages. Of course, the accuracy of the meaning or interpretation depends on the comprehension of each individual. The written Chinese is not any different than English. It just a difference in language. There are classic Chinese and colloquial English. Some may not able to read them. However, there should be no reason for some others not able to comprehend. For example, the Tao Te Ching was written with ancient style of characters and classic meaning. Indeed, the need of a proper device to extract them which is a knowledge native person. Otherwise, the modern people would have no way to understand them.

Yes, you are referring to the Wu Wei way. That is the way it should be. I couldn't agree more. Thanks for mentioning it.

Yes, the information in both system do not get altered. However, the digital signals are much stronger and clear with less margin of error.

Yes, it is very true that the Chinese really don't care. I had been asking many fellow men. My answer from them was that "chi is chi" with a smile. They do not give a final answer. However, an English speaker would demand an answer. So, a Chinese would say "it is "energy." I was told by a TCM herbalist, chi could be meant it is the function of an organ as an esoteric meaning in TCM. When they say "the chi of an organ was blocked". It was actually meant "the organ is malfunction." Somehow, the translation came across the west ended up "the energy of the organ was blocked." If we think about it, If chi is so mighty, how can it be blocked so easily with anything. Does that make any sense to you? Unfortunately, I could not accept this blockage logic. Could anyone of you?

In English format, the term Neidan implies it is the method to obtain neidan (internal elixir). In Chinese format, it was understood as 內丹术。术: method; technique.

Yes, I know. That is why the west was won. The reason I said that is because chi is only translated as "energy" to them. The reason I said "in the west" is because I want to see how people react to what I said.

2. Breathing in Neidan The method of Neidan(the core of Taoist practice) treating breathing is more subtle. Looking at it as "wind" (the source of driving force). Heavy breathing and light breathing: Neidan, through the magnitude of breathing, regulating the speed in change the level of the body temperature and energy. Strong breathing was called Wu(martial) fire and light breathing is Wen(scholarly) Fire. Fetal breathing: It is the highest realm that Neidan can be achieved. The practitioner pursuit to stay away from breathing with the nose and mouth. The purpose is to breathe like a fetus in the mother's womb. The breath is extremely weak to a point that one doesn't even feel any air circulation inside the body. True breathing: Neidan was emphasized that the breath of a high Taoist priest come from the heels. It was thought that regular breathing is only mortal breathing. The flow of true energy depends along with the amount of yuen chi that was manufactured. Finally, the breathing was meant to serve the purpose for virtual cultivation of Jing, Chi, and Shen. This is about finalized the translation. It is properly not too acceptable in the west. I think Chi is more acceptable as "energy" in the west. Indeed, I just want to tell it like it is and go on my way to pursuit what I think is right.

1. Breathing in Qigong(fundamental and efficacy) In Qigong, (especially for fitness Qigong), the main purpose of breathing is to vitalize the biological state and induce the oxygenated blood flow. The most common method: Mainly is adomeno breathing(regular or reverse breathing). it demands deep, long, minute, even and soft breathing. Purpose: Enhancing the exchange of oxygen, massaging the internal organs. Regulating the nervous system through the rhythm of breathing (e.g. loosing up or refreshing). Using breathing to guide the chi(breath): The so-called it was said the intention guides the breath. Commonly, breathing was considered as the driving force that coordinates with the body movement. Hance, it gives one the internal energetic feeling. IMMHO That is why people called the feeling of chi as energy flow in the meridians.

Acquired from AI. 简单来说：是的，呼吸是气功与内丹修炼中极其核心的部分。 在传统文化中，呼吸常被称为“调息”，与“调身”（姿势）和“调心”（意念）并列为修炼的三大要素。不过，气功与内丹在对待呼吸的深度和目的上有所不同。 Translation: Simply speaking: Yes, breathing is part of the core practice for both Qigong and Neidan. Traditionally, breathing was commonly considered as 调息(breathing regulation) and listed with 调身(bodybuilding) and 调心(mentality enhancing) as the three main elements in cultivation. However, The purpose and magnitude in breathing was treated differently for both Qigong and Neidan.

So far, even though, many people had claimed that they have practiced Neidan. Unfortunately, we did not get a satisfied description for the method of Neidan. Before we leave this thread, I still have some unfinished business to be completed. It is to translation for the information that I had acquired from AI. It is very interesting what AI reveal the secret of Qigong ang Neigong. It is not going to be somebody's make up story. Rather, it is the fundamental concept that was passed down from generation to generation in the Taoist society. The idea of Neidan was derived from the concept in TCM. The TCM was using the three treasures to explain what took place inside the human body. Especially, the concept of the preservation of the prenatal Jing was what initiated the practice of Neidan. Hopefully, the life can be prolonged or even become an immortal(仙).

Which chi are talking about? I only listen to people say what they think chi is. When I see the term Chi in a text, I will be very carefully try to figure out what the contextual meaning at that instance. Most people are brain washed that chi is energy. I think that is what you are asking me! Do I belive chi the same way as other people do? Sorry, my answer is no.

I agree with the former. Jing is getting close to be the body cell. The latter description is the conception of the sperm united with the egg is not a bio-chemical one? What do you mean by energetic event?

I didn't know Taiji was considered fitness.

Thanks for your input. As I have said before, it is better to ask AI in Chinese. If you ask AI in English, you will get a translation with some misleading information in it. I have the Chinese version from Gemini before you. I just didn't have the time to translate it yet. In this case, you might be interested to compare my translation with yours.

Yes, I have heard about the deviation refers to qi sickness. I had mention the breathing problem in my PPD. I don't know if that is what they are referring to as "qi sickness". It is in my PPD post of "The ultimate method of breathing". Anyway, my breathing is good. I don't think I could produce this qi sickness or go insane.

Yes, there is a mismatch here. I do experienced the physical body energy developed from the practice in the breathing exercise. I do believe in the saying of transformation of the three virtual treasures. It is because just like you said. They are non-physical substances that was imagined by the ancient Taoist. Then, they came up with the idea of Neidan. It was known that Neidan transform these three non-physical substances to maintain the life of the human body. However, it was done in a more aggressive manner to vigorize the human body. People may claim that they do Neidan differently and have the same effective result. I will leave it at that.

2. 内丹中的呼吸（进火与化机） 内丹术（道家修炼的核心）对呼吸的看法更为深奥，将其视为**“风”**（动力源）。 武火与文火： 内丹通过呼吸的强度来控制体温和能量转化的速度。强力的呼吸称为“武火”，细微的呼吸称为“文火”。 胎息： 这是内丹修炼的高级境界。修炼者追求脱离口鼻呼吸，达到一种像胎儿在母体中那样、极其微弱甚至感知不到的内部循环状态。 真息： 内丹强调“真人之息以踵”，认为普通的肺部呼吸只是“凡息”，真正的能量运化（真息）是随着元气的升降而产生的，呼吸最终要服务于精、气、神的凝练。

气功中的呼吸（基础与功力） 在气功（尤其是健身气功）中，呼吸主要起着调节生理状态和引动气血的作用。 1. 气功中的呼吸（基础与功力） 在气功（尤其是健身气功）中，呼吸主要起着调节生理状态和引动气血的作用。 常用方式： 主要是腹式呼吸（顺呼吸或逆呼吸）。要求做到“深、长、细、匀、悠”。 作用： * 增加氧气交换，按摩内脏。 通过呼吸的频率来调节神经系统（如放松或提神）。 以息导气： 所谓“意到气到”，呼吸往往作为一种动力，配合动作带动体内的能量感。

简单来说：是的，呼吸是气功与内丹修炼中极其核心的部分。 在传统文化中，呼吸常被称为“调息”，与“调身”（姿势）和“调心”（意念）并列为修炼的三大要素。不过，气功与内丹在对待呼吸的深度和目的上有所不同。

I am going to ask Gemini AI in Chinese. 气功和內丹是否注重呼吸？ Is both Qigong and Neidan emphasized in breathing? Let's see what answer it will give us. Please keep an open minded with this investigation task.

I can go along with that. BTW The substance of Yuen Jing is living in the structure of the human body. What do you think about that? The prenatal Jing, 元精, was passed on from the parents. What do you think about that?

You are welcome. Thank you for asking! Doesn't it analogous to the body cell in modern language. The ancient Taoist do not have the term such as "body cell" to call this substance. Thus they had a way to express it by using chi(氣) to describe it. In order for the modern people to understand what chi is by using the term "物資(substance)". The Chinese language does not spell everything out like in English. When they look at the character 氣, it could be anything that comes into their mind. It would be very confusing if we interpret 氣 as energy for anything that we come across. Yuen Chi comprises the structure of the human human body. A cell is the smallest living organism and the basic unit of life on earth. In these two statements, aren't we saying the same thing but in different time frame? So, the confusion between Neigong, Neidan ang Qigong will be haunting us forever.

It says right here. However, you would like to interpret it. https://m.baidu.com/bh/m/detail/ar_9447006070421903235 道家元精论 精 为形之基，是人体生命的物质基础，察受于先人而充乔十后天，故就其来源可分为先天之精与后天之精。“元精”，即揩先天之精而言。元者，始也，元精是生命的 捏源物质，并具有调节与主宰生殖、生民发育的作用。《内经》中虽无“元精”一词，但《灵枢•本神》“生之米，谓之精”、《灵枢•决气》“两神相搏，合而成 形，常先身生，是谓精”，以及《灵枢•经脉》“人始生，先成精”之“精”，皆是指元精而言。 精 为形之基，Jing is the basic form, 是人体生命的物质基础: It is the fundamental(基础) vital(生命) substance(物质) of the human body(人体).