ChiDragon

Haha You have no idea that how many chapters I am disagreed with. Try Chapter One. I love to hear this chapter from you and compare with mine.

I think we ran into a situation of 先入為主. Something we had learnt is hard to unlearn it. The biggest problem, here, is the language barrier with no common ground to stand on. One side tells the other side is wrong. It is the stubbornness of both sides won't yield one to the other. Perhaps it is impossible. Thus it ended with 牛頭不對馬咀, then, it comes a standing still. Luckily, just between you and I do not have a communication problem. My heart is calm and blood pressure is normal as I type. This is good for 性命雙修。

This is what I meant. Please keep my quote in context.

That is only your opinion. Perhaps your definition is different than mine.

According to the classic, how would you interpret it?

Please don't try to argue with me. I only do the translation per your request using the Taoist definition as I understood. It doesn't imply that I belive it. Besides, I do not expect the TDBs to believe what I believe.

合気道 Before I realize what it is, I was assumed it was a form of Qigong is because the chi character is in the name. However, after I investigated, I'd found out it just happened to be a form of self defence techniques like push-hands in Taiji.

If you are really interested how I feel about Chi. I can only feel the tremendous energy in my muscles. The Taiji practitioners are considered that as Jin(勁).

Thank you very much. If you have ever found Chi, please put it back on top of my head.

Yes, it really resonated with me. Every word seems pinching my heart. Thank you for sharing. I really appreciated and enjoy reading it. _/\_

The ancient sage had said: The body(命) existed was by the cultivation of the mind(性). The mind came about was because of the body. The body was made by Chi substance. The mind is the driving force which is called shen. Chi was never separated from Shen. However, sometimes, shen was separated from Chi. 炁则本不离神: Chi was never separated from Shen. Whether this make any sense or not. This is the closest translation that I could come up with!

I second to that.

Yes, the universal theory of yin/yang. Thank you for mention it!

Thank you for being a good listener. You are a gentleman and a scholar. This is not a yes or no answer. Please allow me to have more time to prepare myself to share and explore this complex subject. Especially, it is my pleasure sharing it with an open mind person.

I wouldn't know unless they speak up like you. I know that the Ancient Taoist didn't know for sure. Indeed, they had the wisdom to come up with the Neidan method which made us feel so mystery trying to figure out what it really was. Those who believed the Taoist saying about Chi might or might not know about ATP for sure!

Thank you. We just have to treat Chi like Laotze treats Tao. Laotze made up the existence of Tao. Somehow, TCM didn't make up Chi as Laotze. It was some people misunderstood what Chi is. The term Chi has been helping people making lots of money just by explaining it exists.

Do you why they can't find Chi? It is because Chi doesn't exist. FYI I recall sometime ago. When I post the "cell respiration" on a site. My response was there are some funds provided by the government for the research to find a way to measure the mysterious chi. Perhaps, somebody might found the answer already. However, if the truth was told, then, the funds will stop. Therefore, it is better to keep it as a mystery. This is just a point of interest. I am not claiming that Chi has been found.

I do care about them. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here wasting my time telling them something. Just hopefully I will catch somebody's eyes to broadened the vision. Also, I wish someone is wise enough at least to listen or digest something that might be new to them. I bet none of the Taoist master can tell how our functional body works. Besides, just telling some mysterious chi from thin air flowing in the body. PS I might mention something for the interest of the argument. My wife has some illnesses that the western medicine couldn't help her cure. My brother-in-law introduced a person who practiced eastern and western medicines. He know something about mitochondria by reading online, he did not go into it as deep as I am. One thing for sure that he told me, all herbal practitioners in China must practice Taiji and Qigong. BTW His wife is a acupuncturist too. I must admit that he is a very very good doctor. He cured some of the illnesses for my wife. Sorry to say, about three years later, he die. Another story. My brother-in-law financially supported a herbalist opened a clinic. The clinic was opened only about three years. The herbalist quiet and went to northern part of California to meditate and write a book about Qigong. Unfortunately, I heard that he die after little more than a year before he finished his book.

You welcome! I am not sure about the distinction between quantity and quality which is so characteristic of your remarks. Would you please clarify?

It is how you underststand it. Then, it's fine. I can't argue with that.

That's cool! So, let's it be.

You konw, you really have no idea what I am talking about. Perhaps someday you might. Please, I don't have time for this kind of response.

If you have nothing serious and meaningful to discuss. Please just listen and enjoy!

Please don't go into martial arts here! It is not the interest of the OP.

I am talking about the biochemical ATP energy that nobody is familiar with. Even though, it is in their own body.