ChiDragon

Yes, that is how the body works. However, the diagram shown was only figure 1. It didn't really told the whole story.

I was reading randomly online investigating what people say about directing the breath and energy during meditation. From understanding, it is a fallacy to say that taken in the oxygen and energy or directing the breath and energy inside the body. Unfortunately, perhaps some the people are took it for granted. I will quote some of the texts and point out the fallacy.

I thought the concept about the three treasures of Jing, chi, and shen was very clearly described as the eastern alchemy. I am so surprised that the concept had been floating around for centuries. Are you telling me that no one realize that is the original idea of eastern alchemy?

In that case, then, please don't forget to wear a gas mask when you walk on a busy street.

Micro plastics are measurable as opposed to some unknown force in the air which is not. However, oxygen are measurable and it was known it helps to produce energy in the body. The cosmic force in the air is an imaginary force which is causing beyond reasonable doubt.

If that is true, then, what else you are breathing in that you are not aware of? Is it possible that you might be breathing some other bad force along with the cosmic life force. That which might cause harm to your body?

I didn't say that. What I am saying that is what the diagram was suggesting. My interpretation was the energy in the human body is constantly leaking out. Eventually, all will leaked out, then, the body has no energy left to sustain itself .

I think this diagram illustrates that the body energy is leaking out the body. Don't you think it is a fallacy. What it is saying that all human beings, eventually, are having the possibility leaking all the body energy and die?

4. Focus on Relaxation: Throughout the practice, maintain a state of relaxation in your shoulders and lungs to facilitate deeper breathing. 5. Repeat: Continue this process for several minutes, allowing for a deep and full breath to take in oxygen and energy.

Nasal Breathing: Most breathing, both inhalation and exhalation, is done through the nose to better control and direct the breath and energy.

There is yangshengong for longevity. Neidan goal is different Yes, yang shen gong(陽神功） is a form of qigong. The Original idea of neidan was for the purpose of longevity. Somehow, the translation got lost in the west.

I don't think the above you have mentioned was referring to the LDT. It seems it is referring to the void in describing the three treasures: Jing, chi, shen, and the void. Something like this, Jing transform into chi, chi transform into shen, and shen transform into the void. However, I could never figure out what that meant!

The former is yes, but the latter, I need to know who wrote that and read the original text to answer. Thanks!

The hell with wu wei! I do what I want.

Yes, that is exactly how I felt ever since I'd translated the Tao Te Ching. I had learned and discovered what "wu wei" was all about. I don't take adversity as serious as before. I am more calm in handling the most difficult situations. Over all, I felt that I am a better person!

The reason for that is to have a healthier life for longevity and become an immortal. Welcome, Mehmet! The idealism in Taoism is to cope with nature in a natural way. It is to blend in and integrated oneself with nature as a whole. It is to generate all the positive aspects of nature and degenerate the negatives. Qigong and meditation are a good combination in Taoism practice. Hope to hear more from you!

Yes, Neidan is an internal practice. It is only a ancient Taoist concept. The ancient Taoists practiced by performing zazen or nowadays people called meditation. Meditation was not just sitting in a lotus position and do nothing. They were sitting and performing slow and deep breathing. The assumption was, while doing the deep breathing, there were three imaginary elements inside the LDT(abdomen) are interacting with each other to keep the body function. They assumed the three elements were 精氣神(jin chi shen). These three elements interacted with each other and the cycle repeats itself. By performing deep breathing, it was assumed that the breath was to provide the fuel to heat these three elements in the LDT. The idea of alchemy was originated from baking an external elixor in a cauldron. It was known as external elixor or waidan(外丹). The direct translation for 外丹 is external pill. The external alchemy was used some poisonous elements such as mercury, lead, cinnabar and etc. After the pill was made, the Taoist practitioners took it and died from poisoning. Hence, they decided to go to the internal method instead. The idea of the internal method was to bake an imaginary pill inside the body. Assuming that the three elements mentioned above are inside the body already. It was assumed that the LDT(abdomen) is the cauldron. To provide the fuel for heating the three elements was by performing deep breathing. By performing deep breathing, they had discovered that the energy level was increased tremendously. Therefor, it was assumed that the internal alchemy method works and passed on down from generation to generation. I was curious about the internal neidan method for sometime. I had been investigating how is related to modern science. I have discovered that the modern science do support the internal alchemy by the cell respiration theory. It gives me a more precise explanation about how the energy level was increased in the body. The final question was how the pill was produced? The pill was an imagery pill. It was only in the mind of the ancient Taoists by performing the above method to make the body healthier for longevity. BTW The internal alchemy method only help a person live longer instead of becoming an immortal. This is my two cents worth of contribution to the thread! Peace!

Neidan is an internal method, I believe it works if practiced properly. It is only a ancient Taoist concept. If one understand the concept and practiced, one will be benefited. Otherwise, one may know the concept but do not understand it will not be benefited.

Haha, are you asking me to look for a needle in a haystack.

I have never said that who is right or wrong. I'd only said they are opinionated in their own view. Please don't forget martial artists are teachers too. They teach what they are good at in the own experience, that is why there are so many family styles of martial arts.

Would you please refresh my memory on the one that I was stuck with?

FYI The Chinese native qigong and neigong teachers are all opinionated in their own view. Their concepts are not consolidated. Perhaps you might assumed that I am doing the same. However, if you ask one question, then, one will say something different from another. I have not heard of that there was any neidan teachers out there yet. To me, this neidan concept almost has been forgotten in China already.

No. Why? Why not? The reason you say no. Perhaps you do not have the right concept about the lower dantian. Do you know why it was called the LOWER dantian. Well it is because it located in the lower part of the torso. The head is the upper dantian, the chest the middle dantian, and the abdomen is the lower dantian. You wouldn't call the head as the LDT, would you? Peace!

No If one can breathe down to the abdomen, LDT, one should feel the body is full of energy. As opposed to those only who can breathe down to the chest, one will know the difference in the amount of energy that can be felt by the body. This can, only if, one has sunken chi into the abdomen. All the Chinese native martial artists knew this concept with the phase known as "氣沉丹田(sink chi into dantian)".

It is not a fallacy, the question is illogical! There are many documents to support that the lower abdomen is the LDT.