ChiDragon

Please don't confuse the issue here. Thanks.

Since your are only interested in how to break it down for the grammar, I will do just that. 1. 認周以為非蝶，是未能忘我也。 認: to realize, to recognize 周: Zhuangzi's real name. 以為非: thought it is not; to be not 蝶: butterfly 是: is; yes 未: not yet 能忘: able to forget, 我: me; myself 也: though 2. 執蝶以為非周，未能忘物也。 執: grasp 蝶: butterfly 以為非: thought it is not; to be not 周，Zhou 未能忘: not able to forget yet 物: thing, matter 也: though I think you can go from here......

Okay, Finally, I got it.......

If one have considered the interpretation of Line 2 in Chapter One of the Tao Te Ching: 2. 名可名，非恒名。 2. A name that can be named is not an eternal name. What Line 2 implicates is that there was no such thing as an eternal name(恒名).

The 恆(Heng) in Yi Jing was a name given to a hexagram. It carries its own definition in the Yin Jing. Outside of that, 恆(Heng) has its own linguistic meaning. In regarding to the implicated meanings of (「道、恆也。」 or 「恆、道也。」 「道、恆也。」: Tao is eternal 「恆、道也。」: Eternal is Tao. My interpretation establishes "visible" (Yu) and "invisible" (Wu) instead of your interpretation "visible" (Heng Yu) and "invisible" (Heng Wu). I think Wu and You are well defined in Lines 3 and 4 in Chapter One. Lines 5 and 6 are the substantial statement for Lines 3 and 4. I don't why Lines 5 and 6 draws so much attention for you to go off tangent in your interpretation of the Wu and You. Chapter 1 1. 道可道，非恒道。 2. 名可名，非恒名。 3. 無，名天地之始。 4. 有，名萬物之母。 5. 故恒無，欲以觀其妙。 6. 恒有，欲以觀其徼。 7. 此兩者同出而異名， 8. 同謂之玄。玄之又玄， 9. 眾妙之門。 Translation. 1. Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao. 2. A name that can be named is not an eternal name. 3. Invisible, it was named as the origin of heaven and earth. 4. Visible, it was named as the mother of all things. 5. Hence, when Tao is always invisible, one would grok its quale. 6. When Tao is always visible, one would observe its boundary. 7. These two come from one origin but differ in name, 8. Both are regarded as profound. Profound and more profound, 9. The gate of all changes. IMMHO I think you are putting too much emphasis on the character 恆(Heng) which lead you off course of the basic philosophy of the Tao Te Ching.

"not controlling" isn't wu wei......??? "without governance" is not saying the same thing as "not controlling it" ....???? Then, what is your definition of "wu wei" then.....???? PS..... Actually, the question was addressed to Marblehead.

Yes, Tai Ji is a form of Qigong but is more extensive and serious practice method. Tai Ji is more organized and uniform. It involves the body movements first, then the breathing. As one practice along, the breathing will be following the movements spontaneously. Thus every breath will become in sync with every move which give the swiftness and accuracy of the body movement. Finally, the best of all, it gives the body strength which is called Jin. The reason Tai Ji is a form of Qigong is because both methods do involve with breathing and body movements in slowly motion.

Are you sure you want to ask the question here. Do you want to be more confused....??? First of all, you must know what is the exact definition of meditation and its purpose. Otherwise, if you don't get the definition straight, then you will never know what it is. People will tell you what they think it is with thousands of nomenclatures. Unfortunately, you will be ended up where you had started. PM me if you are interested. I'll only give you one, and only one, straight answer without overwhelming you with confusions.

Should the Title of this thread be: Videos on Buddhism in Chinese, The Taiwanese monk Sheng Yen 聖嚴 is a Buddhist monk. When the term Zen( 禪) was used, in general, it was understood it is the philosophy in Buddhism. Even though, nowadays, the term was used very loosely in the west. However, the Zen practitioner should be, at least, more familiar and use the term properly.

I knew there was something missing in thinking on your part. You see the green characters "也称", it means "also called". Thus all the terms followed in red are the synonyms for “发语辞”

If we correlate the meridians to our nerves on the hands, we would have: 1. The blue meridian corresponds to the Radial nerve 2. The orange meridian corresponds to the Median nerve 3. The red meridian corresponds to the ulnar nerve.

1. 認周以為非蝶，是未能忘我也。 2. 執蝶以為非周，未能忘物也。 I can only do the possible translation to the closest philosophical thoughts and may not be exact word for word. 1. Realizing that Zhou is to be not the butterfly, it's not able to forget myself yet though. 2. Grasping the butterfly is to be not Zhou, not able to forget the things yet though. These two esoteric lines need to be annotated extensively because they are a complicate philosophy of Zhuangzi.

I'm just curious, how do you justify that....???

Thank you for your kindness. I believe that the "meditation in Theravada" is an idea from the Hindus....!!!

your given link Walker.... Would you like to give a rough translation of these two quotes....??? May be we can iron out some of the misunderstands. It is optional of course.

The link you have provided for me do agree with most of what I had learned . Thank you for the opportunity, I will use the link that you have provided for me to pursue is suffice. You've sure surprised me.....

I was hoping that you are not asking for more and I can get away with it. However, it would be a challenge for me to come up with a more closer translation for this classic. I will do my best....

. The majority in red has the closest translation for the character 長(to grow, rear, raise).

This must be a western idea that I am not familiar with, and it is not my belief neither.

This time you did your homework and I didn't....... :D Thank you for the advice, it applies to both of us, more or less. Keep up the good work.....

To me, meditation method shouldn't be involved with too much body movements.

The ideal condition for cardio exercise is to have the heart pump more blood without increasing the rate of heartbeats. It is better not to cause the heart to beat faster while exercising and still has the highest efficiency. To my knowledge, any fast movement of the body will cause the heart to beat faster which is an undesirable for the heart. Modern doctors thought to exercise the heart is by increasing its rate a little bit faster will be ideal for the heart. However, it will make the heart to work a little more harder than normal. To me, making the heart to work even just a little bit harder is not ideal for the heart. The ideal condition is to make the heart beats slower and pumps more blood at one complete heartbeat cycle.

Yes, I know.......

Call it anything if you like. Actually, the final result leads back to the mind cultivation. It is one of the cultivations in Chi Kung. The practice of Chi Kung involves the cultivation of the body, breathing and mind.

The classic character 弗 was not tabooed. It was only an ancient character which is no longer use anymore in the modern time. The character 不 is used instead.