ChiDragon

ME..... I don't know what to say. It is a bit confusing. I know you are eager to learn. Perhaps, If you want to learn the meaning of the characters from that site, it is better for you to have a tutor by your side to sort out the misleading information for you to have better comprehension. It seems to me it would be better off just look up the character, in the Chinese Etymology for you, instead of learning it by pictorial. Etymology

HE.... Please don't take this as not an insult. I just have to bring things to reality. You have to becareful with the pin yin. 眞（zhen１）: real, genuine 珍（zhen１）: delicacy

This is not a personal attack. I am trying to bring everything to reality. This is not the first time people are doing this character breakdown. It was really not necessary. And I know dawai had been doing this for a long time. I need to let him know at least once. I want this to be a personal advice rather than a personal attack. I hope was I treated as a friend.

Well, Dawai... You're always have a tendency to break down the characters to the radicals when a term was discussed. I am amazed how much you are familiar with the composition of the individual characters. However, this is not a pictographic contest. I had passed that stage long time ago and advanced to a higher level of comprehension already. The reason I didn't go into too much details is because I don't want to make things too complicate to loose the interest of the readers.

I am a born native, I just picked up the knowledge throughout my life time within my own society.

BTW All tangible things have a boundary which can be described as the limitation of Tao. Well, let's put it this way. If Tao doesn't put a pause(limitation) somewhere, then we wouldn't be able to detect its presence. Isn't it...???

.......but you are always feeling good though.....!!!

Definitions are nice to know. I tend to not stick with one definition. It is better to understand all the definitions because they are very confusing. We must learn to distinguish them and filter out the unwanted notion. BTW This is part of the cultivation of the mind. Let others be confused but not oneself. We must make ourselves to live in an environment with high standards to provide a better means of communicate to avoid any linguistic and personal conflicts. Cultivation of the mind is to keeping it in a state of emptiness. Emptiness means to have the mind clear and conscious to be aware what is going on internally and externally. Internal is the intellectual mentality. External is must remain vigilant in our adverse environment. Thus this is what cultivation of the mind is all about.

Okay fair enough...!!! Would you settle with 站椿(Zhan Zhuang) = 扎馬步(zha1 ma bu) is getting to the horse stance....??? 站椿(Zhan Zhuang) is the name of the method. 扎馬步(zha1 ma bu) is another name for Zhan Zhunag. ma bu is the name given to "standing position" in Zhan Zhuang. If someone wants to do Zhan Zhuang, he'll say I am going to do 扎馬步(zha1 ma bu). Commonly known, for short, as 扎馬(zha1 ma). For English speaking people, it sounds better to say "I am going to do 馬步(ma bu)".

And why not....???

5. 故恒無，欲以觀其妙。 6. 恒有，欲以觀其徼。 5. Hence, when Tao is always invisible, one would grok its quale. 6. When Tao is always visible, one would observe its boundary. There is no doubt that the picture is still dualistic. However, when you see the "Invisible" but it is visible only by grokking its illusiveness. Illusiveness is when Tao was hidden but has the high potential power to create. Another words, you can only see the Invisible by intuition to sense the presence of Tao. When you sees the Visible but Tao is still invisible. One can only see the Visible by the manifestation of Tao. By the manifestation of Tao, it means when all thing are created by Tao and become tangible. BTW All tangible things have a boundary which can be described as the limitation of Tao.

Please comment on my latest translation of Chapter One....!!! 1. 道可道，非恒道。 2. 名可名，非恒名。 3. 無，名天地之始。 4. 有，名萬物之母。 5. 故恒無，欲以觀其妙。 6. 恒有，欲以觀其徼。 7. 此兩者同出而異名， 8. 同謂之玄。玄之又玄， 9. 眾妙之門。 Translation. 1. Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao. 2. A name that can be named is not an eternal name. 3. Invisible, it was named as the origin of heaven and earth. 4. Visible, it was named as the mother of all things. 5. Hence, when Tao is always invisible, one would grok its quale. 6. When Tao is always visible, one would observe its boundary. 7. These two come from one origin but differ in name, 8. Both are regarded as profound. Profound and more profound, 9. The gate of all changes. Note: The dyad of 無(Wu) and 有(You) were used throughout the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tze. It was his cleverness and unique style in using these two character revealing that he is one of a kind. BTW The Tao Te Ching was written in first person. So far, there is no one has the wisdom which is comparable to his.

You bring everything out of context as usual.

He can ask me too........

Emptiness

Nobody is really putting a label on anybody. It was only a convenience for the sake of discussion. It is just like Lao Tze was reluctantly called Tao as "Tao" for the purpose of identification....

estuary.... As you can see, that there are so many discrepancies and in consistences. Now, it's up to you to reach your own conclusion. However, it is good to know that we do have three members are in agreement. There is another member here do agree with us, in the past, on the same subject. However, he indicated that he was fed up with the disharmony with other members in the forum and declined to post much. Thus his identity shall not be disclosed. In conclusion, there are really four of us, here, in consistence with your OP. BTW "Horse stance" is another name for Zhan Zhuang.

I believe "Profound" is a better translation for 玄(xuan2) than "Mystery".

exhale

Inhale

That's all I could say is that you had found a most competent teacher which tells you no more or less. Why make things more complicated than it was unnecessary....!!! @ Friend..............

That is the scary part. He will try to please Westerners by allowing them to have deviations. Perhaps he didn't want to loose a single student by letting the students to dictate what he should teach them. I am getting to realize that why each westerner has a different version of the story for the same style.

Even though you didn't ejaculate, but you did consume energy. You were drained for playing soccer today because you did not let yourself to recuperate. BTW Playing soccer was equivalent to make it worse just like you having more sex again, today, without ejaculation.

Good for you...!!! I am glad that you didn't miss out......