ChiDragon

I believe it was not too Taoist like on my part. That is why I classified myself as a Semi-Taoist. However, I will convert myself to a full Taoist from now on. BTW Since I have declared myself as a Taoist, then I will behave like one with great tolerance for anyone who has a tendency to have make offensive comments about me. I will consider those comments as unprovoked comments. I will remain Wu Wei about it and won't report any of them as insults to jeopardize the freedom of speech.

Chapter 11 1. 三十幅共一轂， 2. 當其無， 3. 有車之用。 4. 埏埴以為器， 5. 當其無， 6. 有器之用。 7. 鑿戶牖以為室， 8. 當其無， 9. 有室之用。 10.故有之以為利， 11.無之以為用。 1. Thirty spokes with one hub, 2. Where there is space, 3. It has the function of a carriage. Interpretation for lines 1 to 3: It is not the spokes are useful, but the the space between the hub and the wheel is. 4. Knead clay to make a utensil, 5. Where there is space, 6. It has the function as a utensil. Interpretation for lines 4 to 6: It is not the wall of the utensil is useful. but it is the space inside is. 7. Chisel a door and window, 8. Where there is space, 9. It has the function as a room. Interpretation for lines 7 to 9: It is not the door and window are useful, but it is the empty space that made the room useful. 10.Therefore, "solid" is its benefit; 11.Space is its function. If we look at lines, 2, 5, 8, and 11, I believe that Lao Tze was putting the emphasis on Wu to be the "functional" rather than Yu.

Welcome back....!!! May I please hear your comment on my recent post about the Yu and Wu on post #53 in the thread below: Please make your comment on this thread, thanks

The speed of light, its value is 299,792,458 meters per second. Isn't meter a distance and second is time......???

Clarification.... I did not mention such thing as the shaman wearing deer antlers as in the character of Tao(道). As a matter of fact, I do not believe that the Tao Te Ching was engaged in nor related to any shamanic notion.

I believe the power frequecy in the US is 50 to 60 Hz. In the European countries are 400Hz.

FYI.... Action has been taken else where.....

According to my recollection, I believe that Dawei had told us he is not Chinese but married to a Chinese woman from Taiwan.

Let's say we all are confused.....

This is a free world. One can have one's own definition of Tao or borrow from someone else if one see fits. Let's hope for the best and the closest.

Yes, all that was done on one's own basis with the basic knowledge of the language other than a full understanding of the classic. You are a gentleman and a scholar.......

I see the potentiality in your wisdom to explore the Taoist concepts. Yes, there are fallacies very vague. The advisory in filtering out the unwanted is in effect.

It is nice to have you to come along here to discuss some linguistic issues. It is very difficult to discuss these three terms with someone without having the fundamental to understand their basic meanings. 8. 唯孤、寡、不穀， These three terms 孤、寡、不穀 by themselves are adjectives describing loneliness. Like the expression "boy! it's lonely on top of the ladder". These terms were used by an ancient ruler to address himself as such revealing his superiority and loneliness. Everyone was afraid to talk to a ruler truthfully but only telling him the good words. In the sense, the ruler will not be approached with a true figure or friend which will make him the loneliest person in the world. Because of that, he will address himself as 孤、寡、and 不穀 as nouns. As you said: 1. 寡人 is a "single person" implies none of a kind of person because of his position as a ruler above all. 2. 孤家 is the "lonely self" implies that he is all alone by himself has no friends to talk to. 3. 不穀 is a very classical term. It seems the meaning has been lost in history. Only native scholars have some knowledge of it. The characters 人 and 家 are normally used to address oneself. However, only those people who speak the language are familiar with its usage in context. BTW This is one of those most difficult cases to translate into another language. As you said, English words are very specific in their meanings. However, Chinese and classics are not. The meaning of each character has to be grokked based in context or the usage in a phrase. @Mark Saltveit... Do you see how easy for me to communicate with someone who knew the language already....???

Thank you for your interest in the matter. I understand your point of view. However, A Western (or Indian, or South Sea Islander or whatever) may not learn Classical Chinese as their first dialect of Chinese language without knowing the basic modern language. The prerequisite to learn classic is to learn the modern language to begin with. Anyway, with all respect, I understand where you are coming from. Further discussion to repeat the same matter is no longer advantageous. Please pay close attention to the native talks like between takaaki and me because we have the common language background. You will see the way we communicate is much easier because we were brought up the same way almost. We both are using English to exchange Chinese ideas. By using English alone without any Chinese knowledge is very difficult to communicate. I hope you can see and grok the difference in my response to takaaki in the next post.

Now, this something new to me. Did you mean the people were living in China before the Qin Dynasty are not Chinese. Have you ever heard about that China was ruled under a system of feudality. The Qin Dynasty was only brought all the Chinese together as one nation. Did you know the term "Tian Xia", 天下, means anything "under heaven" was considered to be China during the Warring States. During the Warring States, are you saying that the people fighting among each other were not Chinese at the time....??? Finally, anything was written inside China was not Chinese.....???

Do you nowadays, the TCM doctors ask their patients to visit a western doctor to give a diagnostic report. Then, the TCM doctor will come up with a prescription for the patients.

He only ask for the definition of Wu Wei. Please don't confuse the issue here.

I was wondering why you weren't here yet....... You will hear alot from me if you post something that is deviated from my understanding.....!!!

Just be sure to keep the windows open so the oxygen won't be burnt out on you.

I agree soaking the feet in the hot water will help one to sleep better. However, there are some acupressure points are deep inside the muscles which cannot be innervated by the tangible temperature of the heated water. There are some points do need higher pressure or temperature to be reached for effectiveness.

Yes, you're lazy son of a gun........

That is exactly how I understood about Te in the TTC. I am glad some people do understand it that way.

Here is a good chart, the nomenclature Kunlun is still the same but the designated label was changed. The BL60 becomes UB60. To get rid of the pain in the heels, locate UB60 in the chart and massage it for both feet.

Okay.... There are some acupressure points on the feet that you can massage. Do you have a acupuncture chart to locate the points...??? If not I can locate a chart for you on the internet. There is a point called Kunlun(BL 60), in both legs, you can try to massage it to get rid of the pain in the heels.

It just happens all the sudden or something took place to cause your pains....???