ChiDragon

Thank you for your proper response.......

I had asked you not to speak for others.

You are not really responding to the OP. If you really understand, you probably would have followed Marblehead's trail.

hey.......guys Please don't speak for others. Just speak for yourselves......!!!

I can assure you that it is definitely not. I think that is where our cultural difference lies. I am glad that you are very opened-mind. It is very difficult for me to find a westerner to communicate my thoughts across. Indeed, it was very frustrating sometimes. Thank you for being patient with all my posts......

Okay...we are still talking in thin air. OP: what other chapters that have descriptions of Tao and would you like to quote them....??? How come still no one goes into the TTC to cite some descriptions for Tao......??? "a noun that is NOT person, place, or thing" Who said a noun has to be a person, place, or thing...??? I believe the argument here was that Tao can be a noun or a verb as used in the TTC. Period.

"Tzujan is the Way of Tao." Isn't Tao was used as a noun here. (Yes, I did see where you stated that Tao does not equal Way.) It is because there is no way that I could do it.........

This is another one of those misleading from blind to blind. This is as far as I can go on this thread..... here is another link: http://silenttao.com...-xing-and-ming/

This is definitely not the place to do it here. I believe this is the Tao Te Ching section.

Very good, Steve, I like intelligent questions. You see most people fell into the trap in the first chapter which Tao is indescribable. If people really have studied the TTC, then they will know there are lots of chapters were describing what Tao is. Ref..... OP: "what other chapters that have descriptions of Tao and would you like to quote them....???" It is a pity that you had studied the TTC for a long time and still making statement as such..... PS... Please remember that any statement you've made will count against or reveal how much do you know about the TTC......

Linguistic and religion are two different subjects. The OP is about two characters, they can appear in any literature. You just can't say that they are related somehow. If you want to talk about alchemy, then you should use the proper terms to begin with. I wouldn't force something to fit with a hammer. We have plenty of alchemy discussion elsewhere. This is definitely not the place to do it here. I believe this is the Tao Te Ching section.

Well, I don't like to mix things up to confuse the issue like others. All the thoughts must be kept separate to avoid confusion. Why do you like to mix everything up where they don't belong....??? This is a linguistic discussion, why must you have a tendency to contaminate all the subjects with your own stupidity...???

OP: "I'm interested in hearing what people say about Yuan Chi in relation to the spiritual body." Yuan Chi was required for a mortal body while a spiritual body(immortal) does not.

Do you believe that the Laozi concept of De(德) replaces the Confucian concept of Xing (性)...??? I definitely hope not. He was way off basis. From a linguistic point of view. 1. 性(xing) is the nature or character of a living thing. 2. 命(ming) is the life of a living thing. 3. 性命(xing ming): is the life of a living thing.

sree and dawei.... Tao(道) has three meanings for Daoist, Confucians, and Buddhist. Taoism: 道(Tao, big T) is omnipresent. Confucian: 道(tao, small t) is morality(道德). Buddhism: 道(tao), true reasoning(道理 or 真理). The word "way" used as an translation for "Tao" is outdated already.

Okay. Fair enough. I am totally lost with your specious and paradoxical definitions of the terms most of the time. Sorry, I just cannot follow your thoughts in a scholastic manner.

1. It was both. 2. I don't think Confucius has been under-rated mainly because of a misunderstanding of his teaching. Actually, his ideas are too idealistic which was not too practical to be carried out in a political environment at all time. As a matter of fact, he had convinced his ruler to try out his idealism and made him an official. In the first months, he did not know how to deal with other corrupted officials. Hence, he didn't last too long in the ruler's court and quit his post. 3. Yes, you are right about the former. However, "the way 道 (tao) we conduct ourselves in accord with our true nature (what we are) which is not an individual person in a particular society but life itself 天人合一 " is not the same. The way we conduct ourselves in accord with our true nature is not the same as in accord with Nature. Nature is impartial but human nature has desires wish to be fulfilled. During the process of fulfillment, humans will do selfish things.

The word "meditation" has been mentioned two times in the OP; and please also read Steve's comment. Don't you ever read anything before you jump to a conclusion, as always....??? Yes, English is not my native tongue, but I am trying very hard to learn to communicate with you. If you would like to hold that against me, then I am glad to cease any communication with you. BTW English as your first language, you are not any better in communication then your own fellas.

Again.... You are still trying to build definition for "meditation" to confuse oneself and others. That is why there is no end to this....??? Besides, the title of the thread is about "dynamic vs still" rather then meditation. Do you see how people look at things. We are way off tangent.

Mr. Marblehead..... What a pleasant surprise. My apologies.....

I wish you can stop confusing the western public.

The English definition for "meditation" is the practice of thinking deeply in silence. The term "meditation' is very confusing to an Easterner, especially to a Chinese. The proper term to a Chinese is Zazen(打坐). It was borrow from India to meant sitting quietly and think about nothing but just practice in breathing. The Chinese has no problem or any confusion with what Zazen meant. It is very unanimous which is no thinking at all but only with emptiness in the mind. In the contrarily, the term Zazen was translated as "meditation" and become confused as hell. Especially, the terms dynamic meditation and walking meditation. A Chinese would interpreted it as "the practice of thinking deeply in silence while walking". The consequence may be bumped one's head into a light pole. If we stick with the term Zazen, then one would just stay put and sit tight and think of nothing. If the westerners get together and set up a standard of definitions, then there wouldn't be any run around and kept asking what the hell is "meditation".

Yes, at first when I've heard the term Tao Te Ching, 道德經, I thought it was all about morality(道德) as advocated by Confucius. That was what 道德 was all about because most Chinese people are only familiar with the Confucian philosophy and knew nothing about Lao Tze's Tao Te Ching. How little do I know.... As I'd picked up and read a few native books and found out that Tao Te(道德) in the TTC has nothing to do with the morality(道德) in the Confucian philosophy. Then that got me all excited to find out what Tao Te(道德) meant by Lao Tze. There are some native scholars are as confused as some western scholars. Luckily, I had picked a very good book written by 陳鼓應, the most knowledgeable scholar about the Tao Te Ching. Then, I have realized what Tao Te(道德) means exactly in the TTC. I had said the difference many times in the forum, but nobody had paid any attention to it. I hope this is my last time to say it for someone to catch it. The Tao Te(道德) in Confucian philosophy is about the morality in good human behavior and conduct for someone to become a gentleman. It is mainly associated with people. Those who are having good gentle conduct toward human relationships were considered to have the virtue of morality (道德). The Tao Te(道德) in the Tao Te Ching is about a person who is highly cultivated by following the principles of Tao, the concept of Wu Wei(無為). Those who are capable in dealing with naturalism by relating everything to Nature were considered to have the Virtue of Tao(道德). If we can keep the distinction between these two definitions in mind, then it would make it a lot easier in our future communications.

Gentlemen.... Please believe me. I know the frustration. However, there are big differences in the conversations between "westerner and easterner" and "easterner and easterner". If you pay close attention to the conversation between sree and me, you will see a big difference because we do share some common ground.

1 .What are the qualities of a Taoist....??? 2. What is the first quality to be expected in a Taoist...??? 3. If you want to be a Taoist, what do you need to do to become one...??? 4. If you think that you are a Taoist now, what makes you think that you are one...??? 5. Since you have thought that you are a Taoist, did you follow all the principles or have you ever violated any of these principles....??? You may respond by answering anyone of the question.