ChiDragon

dawei said: "I have nothing to go on or by for who this secret group is and how they arrive at anything they have; whereever that secret text is kept too. They are so far removed from any understanding of 300 B.C. writing, how can they understand the time of Chu and what is the influences of those times? Ergo, I'll stick to the older texts." There is no secret about it. They are written in Chinese and you can buy them books allover China if you can understand what they wrote. Are you any closer from any understanding of 300 B.C. writing, how can you understand the time of Chu and what is the influences of those times? Even though, you'll stick to the older texts. dawei asked: "Is english English your first or second language?" Based on his(takaaki) eloquence judged from his writing, is there a need for asking such question.....???

Yes, as long the odds of Wu Wei is not against you.

When time for review, new words are surfaced with a better clarification for comprehension.....

IMMHO I don't think they were off-topic disruptions. I believe they were legitimate scholastic challenges. It was nice to hear some decent comments from a scholastic point of view. I rather hear some educational questions more than some uneducated four letter word remarks.

How about just experiencing the words themselves....???

By reading and studying the principles of Tao, maybe added more to step forward to. No.....??? It is the first step forward, perhaps...!!!

October.... Have you study or knowing the principles in the Tao Te Ching at all....??? "Now I'm interested in what / how is your way; and your story why you are follow the Taoism." The basic fundamental principle of the Tao Te Ching is Wu Wei(無為), let Nature take its course; take no action to interfere with anything in anyway. Sometimes, it is hard to follow the principles of Tao but it can be done to a certain degree is being suffice. Unless, one wants to commit oneself as a true Taoist and found oneself in a secluded Taoist shrine up in the mountains.

October..... Welcome aboard. Experience without words is just like no experience with words. Yes, I agree that a young person needs experience with mistakes to be experienced in life. Pretty soon, one will be experienced without words to explain the experience one has experienced in no experience.

If you breathe deeply, you are actually doing Chi Kung. If one doesn't know that Chi Kung is the ultimate method of breathing, then it is not my problem anymore. I tried. Good luck to those who feel sorry for me..!!!..

FYI.... Qigong is the ultimate method of breathing. Zazen is Static Qigong. One sit and breathe deeply. Dynamic Qigong: One is often standing with some movements and breathe deeply. If one doesn't breathe, then one is not performing Qigong at all.

FYI I only deal with the Received Version. It is because this version was emended by the modern native scholars who are more knowledgeable with the Chinese classic, Chinese cultural history and philosophy. Indeed, all the errors and mistakes were made by the scholars in the past had been corrected. Some versions have incorrect characters because phonetics were used by other scholars and causing phrases to be out of context and illogical. Some versions were changed in favor for some religious purposes. For example, Heshang Gong's vesion was written in such way for Taoist immortal cultivation to have longevity. There are some health issues can be found in some of the verses. The previous versions were not in written form but by mouth-to-mouth. Some scholar decided to write them down. However, they only wrote down by the phonetics of the characters. By doing so, a tremendous amount of errors was introduced. There is a well known native scholar from Taiwan, 陳鼓應, had been collecting commentaries of scholars from the past to present around the world for emending the TTC and came up with the Received Version. The book he wrote on the Received Version, he gave logical reasons to substantiate his explanations. He linked the contextual meanings from lint-to-line, chapter-to-chapter to assure no logical doubts about the philosophy of LaoTze. His work have revealed that no one has the wisdom as LaoTze. There was no comparison to the principles in the Tao Te Ching. So far, there was no literature has been found with ideas that is similar to the TTC. Thus I believe that the Received Version is a piece of most accurate and reliable document there was ever existed.

What do you think this is....??? Not off-topic....??? If you have full authority on the TTC, as you'd claimed, then you would have had understood what my post on Chapter 81 meant...!!!

Chapter 41 上士聞道勤而行之。 中士聞道若存若亡。 下士聞道大笑之。 Those who are knowledgeable about principles of Tao; they cultivate these principles diligently. Those who are somewhat knowledgeable about the principles of Tao; they wonder the the validity of these principles. Those who have no knowledge about the principles of Tao; they gave it a big belly laugh.

What have we learnt and didn't put it into application...??? (Chapter 81) 1. True words are not beautiful. 3. Beautiful words are not true. 3. One who is kind does not quarrel. 4. One who quarrels is not kind. 5. One who is profound is not broad. 6. One who is broad is not profound. 7. A Sage does not hoard. 8. Yet one who helps others ended up with more sufficed. 9. Yet one who gives to others ended up with more enriched. 10. The principle of nature benefits all with no harm. 11. The morality of human is to give but not to seize.

I knew I cannot be ignored......

Oh. Yes, it came back to my memory. Thank you....!!! Wu Ji engender Tai Ji. I guess the 64 hexagrams ended up as Tai Ji......

What did it say....??? Please enlighten me.... What did Tai Ji split into....???

BTW This is a Taoist environment after all; it can be putted in a nicer tone.....

We sure do have a big difference in thinking. I thought it might be something like that. I don't know it is just you or it is between the thinking of the east and the west.

According to your scenario about "when wuji split yin and yang manifested and so did myriad things". Does that given us a clue that Tai Ji can be split like Wu Ji. What will that be then.....???

I do appreciate that.... If I may add: Dynamic / stillness VS heartbeat / sitting; breathing / sitting Static / movement VS stillness / heartbeat; stillness / breathing Static/dynamic as: internal(static) VS external(dynamic): emptiness of the mind / body movement as in Spontaneous Chi Kung; external(static) VS internal(dynamic): zazen/breathing; zazen / all the vital activities takes place inside the body. @Ya Mu... Just ignore me....

Well, philosophically, a true Taoist is not materialistic. A materialist is not a Taoist. @HAJA...Please explain....

The term "Stillness Movement" has been bothering me quite sometime. IMO It would be more appropriate to look at 'stillness' as 'static' and 'movement' as 'dynamic'. Static and dynamic are more of an adjective rather than putting two nouns together such as "Stillness Movement" as proper term. After all, it has less confusion.

MH... So, are you a materialist or a Taoist....??? You cannot be both, you know....!!!

So, then Valley Spirit is Dao. Yes....!!! Wuji has no center. Wu ji is the opposite of Tai Ji. Where Tai Ji is the positive infinity and Wu Ji is the negative infinity. Hence, zero is the center between Wu Ji and Tai ji.