ChiDragon

If I am doing it wrong in conditioning muscles with Taijiquan, if that is the case, I shall quit Taijiquan after forty years of practice. FYI Taiji is considered as an internal practice to build up internal strength of the muscles. It doesn't display the extrusion contour of the muscles as in weight lifting. Weight lifting was considered as an external practice. "it is about releasing, letting go of muscular strength and developing internal power. " You got this in reverse. Taijiquan develops the internal power of the muscles then it can be released in magnitude by the control of the mind as one wish. The distinction between Neigong(內功) and Waigong(外功) are by the methods of internal and external practice.

That is right he is doing a more intense workout. He is not practicing Qigong/neigong . Of course, it is not demonstrative of Neidan/Neigong. It is demonstrating the result of the final product of the practice of some kind. That which gives the ability for the body to perform.

Yes, you are right. Perform a Sabre form is not how much does one need to know to learn Neidan. Rather it was the result from the practice of Neidan in conditioning a healthy body to do the performance. Neidan was accomplished through the practice of abdominal breathing. Hence, proper breathing will help the body to maintain its energy level for the continuous performance without getting fatigue!

Thank for your humbleness and honesty.

What happens then? What have you gained? Did you orally taken the elixir?

You all had made your points. Thank you very much. Hope you all practice your own method to a successful journey.

Please tell me what Neidan is rather than it is not.

No, they are not. However, neidan, qigong and neigong are all involved in breathing. Nothing works without breathing, please be informed that breathing means abdominal breathing.

I would like to see you to pick up a sabre and start swing it without the practice of Neidan, Qigong or Neigong, whichever you prefer. Then, tell me how it feels with the sabre in your hand. I can assure you without conditioning your body with some kind of gong, you will not last for long. Your body has a certain amount of energy to spare. After 3 to 6 minutes or so, some might take a little longer, your body will be exhausted. That is why boxers were put into the ring for a 3-minute round each time. Then, rest for one minute. If the body can recover and produced some energy, the boxer will survive for another round. Otherwise, the boxer gets KOed by the stronger opponent. How does the body sustain its strength is by breathing to capture the oxygen into the body cells to produce the energy. The more oxygen in the body, the longer the body can sustain on its feet and perform its task. The 6 minute video was to prove that the significant of the ability in breathing. Without continuous proper breathing, the performer wouldn't last for 3 minutes. Without the practice of Taiji in conditioning the body muscles, the movements would be much different and awkward. Neidan(內丹) is mainly involved in breathing, abdominal breathing to be exact. The action was considered to be 氣沉丹田, sink chi to the dantian, it was referred by ancient Chinese Taoists. The rest about how the body produce energy will be in the modern explanation about cell respiration. It is for your own discovery.

So far, these thoughts are the true beliefs in the Taoist religion but not necessarily in Taoism.

It seems to me that the OP was relating Neidan by emphasizing to Buddhism idea and thoughts. Thus that is why it is so confusing and unclear. It was completely out of the scope of Taoism. FYI Neidan is a practice method originated by Chinese Taoist. Hence, there were lots of discussion about Neidan here before. Perhaps some late comers might have missed. It wouldn't hurt to spend sometime to review them.

It was posted here for a purpose. It is here to hear the comments to reveal the truth of what is in people's mind. It will reveal what and how much people knew about Neidan.

Weclcome! Please stay and do interact and ask questions. TDB welcomes you!

Anybody else has a comment to make? Let's hear it!

Yes, that's right. There was no connection between our understanding to begin with in the first place.

You cannot relate this to the importance of breathing?

phoenixdragon We would like to welcome you in a warmest Taoist way. Please don't just come and go. Why don't you stay here for lunch and dinner!?

It came from a fictional story like Martial arts novels, 武俠小說(wǔxiá xiǎoshuō). FYI Any excessive sexual practice is not healthy for the reproductive system. I would stay away from it! Other wise, it will ruin your life completely. There were many members came to TDB asking for help. In case you run into trouble, just go practice Qigong or Taiji to recover your body back to normalcy. However, it may take some time to reach the goal of practice. This is the Yang style Taiji part of the 108 form.

Demo of the effect of breathing with sabre practice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBAHRqOtJDQ

Are you making a judgment? Denying the truth doesn't make one to be correct.

I am flattered. I always knew that is very amusing in TDB forums by listening to the comments made by knowledgeable members. Some of the comments are debatable and some are laughable. Comments are to be judged by the majority. Some knew what is correct or what not. Some keep their silence and laugh in their hearts. However, whatever the case that might be，the truth will reveal itself.

道生之 is active 德畜之 is passive Yes, 德 has nothing to do with 內丹(neidan).

Question! Is there any members here had accomplished the ultimate goal of Neidan? Why and how so? What are the changes that took place in the body? What do you think the ultimate goal of Neidan should be? What kind of result that one should be expected from the practice? Just tell us anything that you can think of.

Where is there? Are you referring to Chapter 51 1.道生之 2.德畜之 1. Tao engenders it, 2. Te rears it (nourished by De). PS 德: If it stands alone, we can look up its definition in a dictionary. If it was within a philosophy, then, we look into the mind of the philosopher to see what is the meaning defined by the author. For examples, 1. In Confucianism, 德 is the virtue of morality. The virtue of morality was considered to be that someone has the highest quality of human behavior without any regrets. 2. In Taoism, 德 is the virtue of Tao. By the meaning of the virtue of Tao, it is one who study and observe the principles of Tao was considered to be being processed the virtue of Tao.

No, they are not the same. Neidan is a practice method in the Taoist religion. Daoism covers all areas in all aspects.