ChiDragon

My advice is to stick with one definition which make sense or works for you; and stay with it but disregard all the others' understanding to avoid confusion.

By the Chinese definition of Chi Kung. It cultivates in breathing, the mind and the body, three-in-one. If anyone of the three was left out will be considered to be incomplete and less effective; especially, when the breathing was left out. It is because breathing was the major factor that give the body a better physical health. Finally, cultivating the mind was for concentration.

To the best of my knowledge. Falun Gong is practiced by a Buddhist Cult. It is a form of healing Chi Kung which had cured many people with chronic diseases. The reason that the Chinese government was against them is because the sect is getting too large and they have tremendous assembly power. The government was afraided that they might get overthrown by the cult.

They felt their "porn practice" was not only harmless, but beneficial. They felt they were tapping and transmuting large amounts of jing to qi with this practice. Yes, this was the worse misleading fallacy for all. It's advisable not the believe such nonsense. However, for those who had done the damage already may practice Chi Kung, the ultimate method of breathing, to cure it.

I cannot find a Chinese version which is correlated to the English translation. Does anyone has a copy of the Chinese classic....???

What did you hear from people about focus your mind.....??? Can you give me some ideas what you'd learnt from others. I am curious to hear them. Thanks....!!!

Okay,....!!! Then, why did you relate breathing into your meditation in the first place as stated in the title of this thread......???

Please keep in mind that not everyone can do the full lotus. There is one thing about yoga which can hurt somebody starting from a cold practice. One cannot just jump into doing it. Please don't force yourself to doing anything that your are not capable of doing. I heard lots of people had to quit the class on the first day because they got hurt. Use common sense. Consider your physical being before doing anything foolish because someone says it was ok to do it.

Mind is one. West is moot. No one here is discussing "method", mr Chi. "sleep meditation techniques" The word "techniques" does imply some kind of method.....???

No, what I am saying was that the spiritual body was only a temporary body shell for the immortal. An immortal does not need a body to reside in nor need to breathe.

It was nice that we had established a good start. Let's take one step back, a physical body requires yuan chi to sustain its life. One must cultivate to a point that the physical body which does not require yuan chi to sustain. During the cultivation process, the physical body will be taken less food causing the yuan chi to become less and less. Now, the physical body becomes a spiritual body while the soul is still remain. To answer your last question. The notion about great virtue was only for the mortals. During the cultivation processing period to become an immortal, all human contacts were ceased. The diet was strictly vegetarian and taken foods from hot to cold. In the last few day before becoming an immortal, no foods were needed to nourish the body. After the physical body takes the last breath, then, the soul of the body was ascended and the body is no longer needed. The ascended soul was considered to be the immortal and rise to heaven.

天人合一 is humans in harmony with all in a natural friendly environment. "Harmony" is the keyword here which one does not take the initiative to provoke an international incidence. One can use nicer words to present an unpleasant situation in a friendly gesture.

Shenlung.... I do appreciate your thankfulness and the kind words. BTW From the virtuous teaching in the Tao Te Ching: "Given is not to expect something in return". I thank you again for your thoughtfulness anyway. Speaking about gentlemen, it would be quite interesting compare a Chinese gentleman to the gentlemen that you have referenced. Anyway, a Chinese gentleman know as 君子(jun1 tze). A 君子(jun1 tze) was classified as an educated scholar with high morality in conduct. The gentlemen have high regards and respect among themselves. However, they do not open the door for a lady as a gentleman in the west. Unfortunately, there were alot more of the discriminating attitudes are not worth mention for the ancient scholastic gentlemen.

Okay, my question now is do you think that was the right approach. Without trying to slow it down or deepen it, you don't think that you are defeating the purpose of this practice(Chi Kung).....???

Yes, I can say the same(almost, hehehe). @ sree, please stay with us. We had quite a few China men were kicked out of here because they had the same attitude as you but worse. Thus I am the only one that was left here to argue with all the nice understandable westerners ...western gentlemen.....

1. Sorry, that contradicts the impartial concept in Chapter 5 of the TTC for not being Wu Wei(無為). 2. Sorry, that was not the western scientific method is all about. 3. That sounds very impartial on your part but with preconceived ideas. PS.... If you would like to take the non-scholastic approach about the Tao Te Ching, then we can have all kind of BS with endless arguments about it. However, I must decline to participate in such a meaningless approach.

Don't you think that you are contradicting yourself right now....??? What have you learnt from the Tao Te Ching.....??? Now, it is your burden to prove to me what do you know about the Tao Te Ching.....??? PS.... I just realized that all of the above are your fallacies too.......... PPS.... For that being said, anyway, the Tao Te Ching is about 無為(Wu Wei).

Shall we say that there was no such thing as "sleep meditation techniques".....??? Why do people put the word ""meditation" into everything....??? Is it because the word gives one the sense of security in proving of what one knows...?? BTW When one goes to sleep then one sleeps; why meditate....??? If one meditates, then one doesn't sleep. The word "mediation" is driving the people crazy in the west. That is why there was no definite definition which causing a big open loop. As soon the word "meditation" merges, everyone just converge into it with wildest ideas and given craziest names to create multiple false-methods and thought they were the greatest without considering the validity of the methods.

I think it was called "open-mined" with an open heart.....

None of the above. The reason you don't know is because you have not studied the Tao Te Ching thoroughly and start making generalizations from the fallacies made by other people. The question "What?" is up to you to answer after you have studied the TTC thoroughly and realize what it is all about. How can you criticize something that you have no knowledge of....??? PS.... When you first come on board, you'd gave me the impression that you wanted to study the TTC deeply from scratch. By your present behavior, it seems that you have disappointed me greatly....

I grant you by saying that. However, the knowledge in the book do reflect the wisdom of the author. You are making a blanket statement which is not true. Therefore, please speak only for yourself about the latter part of the quote in bold, my friend.......

I am just curious. What do you think that you have accomplished....???

All these are non-contriving....???

oops..... Sorry, I missed you post. I have most of the Chapters translated in the TTC section. If you have any question, I am glad to give you a satisfactory response. Thank you very much for your interest in my pertinent knowledge about the Tao Te Ching. Are you asking me about the translation for 君子(gentleman)"....???

Well, that is the way how a Cantonese normally talks, eloquent but arrogant.......