ChiDragon

I do agree that Rou Quan, with Fa Jin, is similar to the second level of Tai Ji at moderate speed rather in slow motion as in the first level.

sree..... This is not the place to argue somebody else's translation. It is only a matter of what one wants to believe what the Tao Te Ching says, personally, with a different approach. If you want to study the TTC, please just read into it the way you think it is. In order to keep it to the purest thought, read it scholastically. If you can read Chinese, use the native sources. However, they are not all the best but there are some that are very reliable. Happy studying...... PS.... Using the native sources, then one does not have to deal with any mistranslation with misunderstanding. So, nothing will get lost in the translation but maybe misinterpretation. At least, you have less errors to deal with. BTW, nowadays, the native sources are pretty unanimous. To the best of my knowledge, at least, Chapters 1 and 5 are unanimous. I do tend to agree that the translations of Lin Yutang and Hendrick are done personally rather done in a scholastic manner.

EXACTLY.........

Yes....You are right about that. If meditation was done correctly with breathing as a requirement, then everything will be fine. I think it's about time for people to be wise and keep in mind that breathing is a must in meditation.

Meditation is to train the mind rather than the eyes.

Yes, it is very strange but that is the Chinese Buddhist belief in reincarnation. That was what has to be taken place between after death until the reincarnation. This is only my understanding but not my belief.

It seems to me that was lack of self confidence in self discipline....

How can someone try to understand something without clarity....??? Delusion is only in the ambiguous eyes of the beholder.

It is a flow chart of reincarnation in forty-nine days. Start at: 臨終(at the end of life) 1. The occupied force(業力) has no effect(unconscious, the conscience is still in the body) 2. The occupied force goes through the first lighted circular door. 3. The conscience(soul) separated from the body. 4. The occupied force goes through the second lighted circular door. 5. The occupied force goes through the Yin processing door. 6. The conscious became asleep again. 7. The occupied force begins to function. 8. The occupied force became conscious. 9. All kinds of imaginations are happening here. 10. The Yin door to reincarnation. 11. The occupied force became stronger(with divine power). End: 投胎(Reincarnated). Note: In the Chinese mythology, Yin(陰) was referred as the world after death; and Yang(陽) was referred to the world of the livings.

sree.... Chuang Tze was written in a different format(parables) than the Tao Te Ching(simple phrases). It would be very difficult to do per your request. The simplest way is to translate its interpreted meaning for a better comprehension. Sorry, I cannot fulfill your request.

How can one tell that which style is internal or external......??? It is very easy to distinguish them. The styles that are moving soft and gracefully with breathing were considered to be internal(Neigong) . In the contrary, any style which requires to hitting something with any body part by consuming body energy, with heavy perspiring, was considered to be external practice.

It is because they are still humans which they did not read deeply into the Tao Te Ching. They cannot unlearn or unprogram themselves from what they had learnt before. No, the whole concept of Wu Wei was learnt from Nature and apply to ourselves in society. That was the whole purpose of the Tao Te Ching. Thus that is why Lao Tze wrote the TTC. Our way as 天人合一 are dealing with the four seasons, eating the foods and breathing the air that Nature provides.

道德 = Morality of Confucius 道德 = Virtue of Tao(The definition becomes different since the principles of the Tao Te Ching was advocated) "Morality of Confucius" is different from the "Virtue of Tao". The Virtue of Tao is inclusive with the Morality of Confucius. So, when you are speaking of "morality", what did you really mean....???

The main point of Chapter Five was to be impartial and do away with sentiments; and accept the way it is. That's NATURE. Period. If you are reading this Chapter with your sentimental feeling, then you are trying not to understand nor accepting the concept of Wu Wei. "Heaven and Earth are not partial. They do not kill living things out of cruelty or give them birth out of kindness." Do you see this is a man made statement. The words "cruelty" and "kindness" are human descriptive words. However, Nature has no such words, so to speak. Nature do give birth and kill for no reason. But, hey, that's Nature; let's accept it as is.

The name "third eye" is only an imaginary term from a non-scientific point of view which I am not very fond of.

Move out of that apartment.

Yes, if I have a simple mind, then I would have been pretended that I know what was being said here. It could be as simple as that........

Hey.... Speaking about someone banging on your wall. I use to live an apartment, this couple next door with their bed was just a wall between mine head to head. Every morning five o'clock am, their bed was banging on the wall and I kept on hearing the woman moaning: "Fuck me, Larry. Fuck me, Larry". So I lose lots of sleep then went to work. After work, I rushed to my apartment and tried to catch my sleep. At five o'clock in the afternoon, I heard the sound again: "Fuck me, Larry. Fuck me, Larry". On one Saturday morning, I saw the guy came out from his apartment. Guess what I said to the guy...??? I said: "Hi, Larry". Two week later, Larry offered me some fishes after his fishing trip.......

I believe that is how we breathe and they are the normal pathway for the air to travel inside the body....

Heaven provide sun shine and rain for all things(萬物); and Earth provide shelter for all things. Earth rotates to provide the four seasons for farming to help humans to survive. Thus Heaven and Earth are exercising control the existence over all things. That was only the way suggested by LaoTze. However, people have the right not to follow his advice. We must look into this issue philosophically without any personal bias. If you read Chapter Five closely, then you probably would have second thought on this. LaoTze asked us to be Wu Wei by following the course of Nature with no interruption. Therefore, lions are wild animals was born free to be roamed in the wilderness. Besides, lions are scavengers rather than vegetarians, don't you think you have violated their natural habitat and interfered with Nature....??? LaoTze picked the straw dogs as impartial for a specific reason. The ancients use straw dogs to worship their deities. The straw dogs are only significant to them, at the time, when they were placed on the altar for worshiping. After that, it will be stored in storage, discarded, stepped on, or burnt. What LaoTze was suggesting is to let things be the way they are suppose to be and offer no special favor. Let's go back to the first four lines. 1. 天地不仁， 2. 以萬物為芻狗。 1. Heaven and Earth have no mercy. 2. Treats all things as straw dogs. The metaphor here was: When heaven strikes with lightning, it strikes whenever and wherever to whatever. It will not pick a specific place nor a specific person to strike. When it rains, heaven will drop it wherever randomly. When there was a flood on Earth, the flood will go through anything. Nature does not care who or what was in its path. Everything will be destroyed in her path. Indeed, the term 不仁(no mercy) reveals its true meaning, here, as being impartial. 3. 聖人不仁， 4. 以百姓為芻狗。 3. Sage(ruler) has no mercy. 4. Treats all people as straw dogs. The sage here was referred to someone who has the ability to serve the people with impartial justice. Let the people live the way that they wanted to be. Do not restrict their freedom. Do not levy heavy tax to burden them. Do not place them in a hard labor camp if they were good at farming. The first two lines was an example of the way of Nature which was sat up by LoaTze for human to follow. Lines 3 and 4 are what the human was doing exactly as the example was suggested in lines 1 and 2.

You welcome. Thank you. You had just described your level of breathing experience. What you are describing is completely normal. Thus it is exactly how I would expect it to happen. Anyway, if you are resonated with the "third eye" approach, then this is where I stop.......

Let's make it simple... 1. The first dan tian is you throat. 2. The second dan tian is the chest. 3. The third dan tian is the abdomen. The effects. 1. If one just breathe into the throat, one will be a very sick person with chronic disease due to the lack of oxygen circulation in the body. 2. If one breathes into the chest(lungs), one is somewhat healthy. Perhaps one may get sick occasionally. 3. If one breathes onto the abdomen constantly, one will be very healthy.

People were talking about building up their sexual power with some kind of meditation. Lots of people without realizing that they were building the Jin(勁) in the body while performing Niegong practice. The Jin just came with the package without even know it. During erection, that is where the Jin comes in to prolong the extension of the family tool. Therefore, there is no need to look for special method for sexual enhancement.

1. 不仁: no mercy; have no mercy 2. Humans and animals are part of the 萬物......???? If that is the case, then why did Lao Tze separated them in lines 2 and 4. In line 4, he could have said the same as in line 2; but why did he separated the 百姓 from 萬物. As I had said before, please keep this in mind. The TaoTe Ching has four entities: Human, Earth, Heaven, and Tao. With this indication, I don't thinking human was included in the 萬物. As far as the TTC was concern, Human was treated as an outsider looking into the universe, so, human can follow the principles of Nature. Lao Tze was setting up examples by the observations of Nature and using those examples as basic principles for Human to be followed. There is a phrase somewhere in the TTC suggesting that human to be blended in with Nature. 天人合一, Heave and Human are to be integrated as one. Isn't this suggesting that Human is not part of Nature, to begin with, in Lao Tze's thinking. 3. Why do you let the calf die and save the child? Humans have their own way to deal with themselves. Human did not let the calf die; but the lion ate the calf was beyond human control. By definition, anything that is beyond human control was considered to be a "natural cause" or " the course of Nature". BTW We are not straw dogs but only was treated impartially as straw dogs.

No, this is not what I mean. I have already stated that human is an entity separated from Nature as far as how Lao Tze defined. Animals are part of nature. Humans have to deal with Nature. Thus human dealing with animals is dealing with part of Nature. Please do not compare human to animals. Maybe some people in some societies are animals.