ChiDragon

Is it not the truth is worth repeating....??? Perhaps not to repeat it to the same person all the time. What is wrong with showing a little emotion as long as it is not too abusive......???

齧缺向王倪求教，四次提問王倪四次都不能作答。 齧缺於是跳了起來高興極了，去到蒲衣子處把上述情況告訴給他。 蒲 衣子說：“你如今知道了這種情況嗎？虞舜比不上伏羲氏。虞舜他心懷仁義以籠絡人心，獲得了百姓的擁戴，不過他還是不曾超脫出人為的物我兩分的困境。伏羲氏 他睡臥時寬緩安適，他覺醒時悠遊自得；他聽任有的人把自己看作馬，聽任有的人把自己看作牛；他的才思實在真實無偽，他的德行確實純真可信，而且從不曾涉入 物我兩分的困境。” Nie Que(齧缺) turned to Wang Ni(王倪) for help. He asked Wang Ni four times and four times that Wang Ni couldn't answer. Then, Nie Que jumped up and was extremely happy. He went to Yu-yi Zi(蒲衣子) and told he about the situation as mentioned above. Yu-yi Zi said: "You are just now found out about this?" Yu Shun(虞舜) was not comparable to Fu Xi(伏羲). Yu Shun has a heart of benevolence and won the hearts of the people; and he was gained the trust of the people. However, he still has not escaped from the predicament of the human urged materialistic world. When Fu Xi sleeps, he was calm and peaceful. After he woke up, he was so proud of himself; he heard that some people thought of themselves as a horse; and some thought of themselves as an ox. His intellectual wisdom was really true and not fake. His character was pure innocent and trustworthy. Also, he had never stepped into the predicament of the materialistic separation between all things and himself.

I hope you all continue to have a great heart in your long term cultivation. May Tao be with you....!!!

Muscle tone is only a modern term that maybe contradictory to ancient thinking. PS.... I love to discuss in more detail but my understanding is so different than others. Further discussion will turn this thread into a battlefield. Therefore, I choose not to proceed any further. Thanks....

Okay....I'll have to take your word for it....

Yes, you are a strong guy physically and mentally indeed. You are a really cool guy as always..... Edited to add: "....... they move their arms without relying on the muscles." I am contemplating on that ....is that humanly possible....!!!

By observation, the younger kid was Fa Li not Fa Jin because he has no Jin. If one know some basic physics, one can push anybody while standing to get one off balance. The purpose of Fa Jin was to be able to Fa at any time at any position. The man has to breathe three times in the roll and move his body up and down to put all this effort to push a little guy. If you call that Fa Jin and learn it from that, go ahead.

You are only talking about the application of Fa Jin without any basic understanding how the Jin was developed. Let me ask you a question. Can you give me a good reason why people practice the basic movements day after day....???

It does tell you where the Jin came from. If you have to move your arms and legs, then it has nothing to do with the muscles.....???? Do you think that Chi stuff people telling you is a miracle....???

Well, I am not a little boy anymore. I don't need to tell ma ma about every little thing that displeases me.

Fine...Shanlung... Somebody else do care. I am only responding to those who asked me some legitimate questions....

Shanlung... You have a lovely bird. I have a Sun Conure. A very colorful bird. Shall we go advertise our birds elsewhere....??? This thread is for Tai Ji Chuan....Thanks....

Fa Jin(發勁) simply means to exert a force called Jin(勁). In order to understand Fa Jin, one must ask two questions: 1. What is Jin...??? 2. How can Jin be obtained....??? First of all, a human body has an innate strength called Li(力). A normal person exerted a force is called Fa Li(發力). A Tai Ji practitioner exerted a force is called Fa Jin(發勁). So, what is the difference between the two...??? Li(力) is the innate body strength of an ordinary person; and Jin(勁) has the strength one thousand times or more than the Li. Jin was obtained by the muscle development from the practice of the basic fundamental movements day after day. I am wondering do the people know the significance of practicing the basic movements daily. Some thought that the accuracy of the movements might be significant. Some probably have no idea. The reason for practicing the basic movements was to develop the muscle tone. As a result, the muscle tone increases the strength of Li which becomes Jin. Thus without a long time with the diligent practice of the Tai Ji movements will not give the body the Jin.

Pushing and shoving, yes, but that's only the superficial part. It is a matter of how much force was exerted by the executioner; and how the opponent falls. That is how you determine the level of FaJin. If you really need to feel it personally to say for sure, that makes one to wonder about the level of your understanding.

Let me tell you this. You can have many teachers stand beside you. If you don't practice, your teachers will not pass the jin into your body. I don't know you teach Tai Ji or not. However, you sound like that you do practice it. Also, by the way you talk, it seems to me you don't know what Fa Jin is at all. Like I said, it takes one to know one. If one knows how to Fa Jin, one can feel exactly what is going on in the video. IMO It seems to me you didn't know anymore than I do. Am I being judged by this on your part...??? "You read a lot and maybe practice a little"

That was FaJin all along. However, it takes one to know one. If one has no knowledge of what Fa Jin is, then one will never know what the video is all about. I don't know what you are asking is about the book or the style....??? Anyway, even though it was called the sneak style. Based on the movements, the way I see it is still a regular basic Tai Ji movement.

Everyone talks about practice with the mind and the body. It seems to me that the realm of stillness movement has not been reached by any practitioner. A peace of mind is hard to come by. I guess more effort is needed.

Yes, one is physical force and the other is pneumatic pressure.....

Does one of us know the difference....??? oops.......... Sorry, I forgot to smile.

Now back to ZZ.... Please let's me know does this make any sense. Tao to both LaoTze and Zhuang Tze was the creator of the Universe. Both of them reckon that Tao has no beginning and no ending. Even though that all things do die(life and death are only a form of big change) but, at the end, that was all belong to Tao. To understand Tao, one has to understand the reasons behind all things, then one's own nature won't be interrupted by any external means. Keeping one's true self will preserve one's true life. The meaning for the Virtue of Tao and the ability to reason lies here. Not knowing "Tao" was to be suitable for the intrinsic quality of Tao. "Knowing" Tao was too gross. "Not knowing" is internal; "knowing" is external. Not knowing is knowing; knowing is not knowing; then who knows what does "knowing" in "not knowing" means....??? Tao was not to be heard by the ears. It can be heard by the ears is not Tao. Tao was not to be seen by the eyes. It can be seen by the eyes is not Tao. Tao cannot be spoken, spoken of it is not Tao. If one answers immediately when someone ask what Tao is, then that is not the one who knows Tao. Tao cannot be asked. If asked, then it cannot be answered. Only the one who has grokking power, then one can truly understand Tao.

Don't worry, somebody over here will understand you......

IF "Tao" was translated as "Way", then the "Way of Tao" is the "Tao of Tao." IMO The "Way of Tao" is actually meant to be the Principles of Tao.

Thanks for the second hand information.....

I see that you give no room for exceptions and room to talk. PS.... I must defend the truth when it was being jeopardized. There are some words are just verbs but some can be both verbs and nouns. When we are talking about Tao, we are still on the course with Zhuang Tze.

ahhhh... I see that you are doing the same thing too. hehehehe....