ChiDragon

Why so.....??? Why people get so hostile when someone claim something that you don't have.....??? PS...Words are really bullshit for the expression of speech. If you don't like what I said, I can always retract my statement. PPS...I cannot FaJin...... okay....!!!

" The Way (Tao as a verb)," When "way" was capitalized, then it becomes a noun and no long a verb to my understanding. I would use lower case "t" for tao if it is a verb; and capital "T" for Tao as a proper noun.

Words do reflect the personality of the author. Yes, that's what I had been doing reading the personality of the author but not their words.....

I think somebody had mentioned something like martial morality in this thread. Another term for martial morality is the "Virtue of Martial Arts". If the "Virtue of Martial Arts" was understood by any MA practitioner, then one may not think about going into the cage of MMA and show them the prowess and make oneself famous and lots of money......

Yes, I know where you are coming from but please don't ask to explain how do I know....

That is true. However, I was saying is that Tai Ji has more emphasis on Fa Jin than any other martial arts. It does imply that others are not.

The guy was only try to show a little humbleness within him......

Money is no object.

I think Zhuang Tze writes parables but not in essay format and not incidental but intentional.

"And by the way, have you fajing that you know just what fajing is all about?" Yes, I can FaJin(發勁) but not Fa Jing(發精)....

Did you mean that: Zhuang Tze dreamed himself as a butterfly or The butterfly dreamed itself as Zhuang Tze.

Welcome to the world of Chinese classics. The classics were written in metaphors. The metaphors can talk about the subject, actually, without have to mention it but giving hints or clues about it. The reader must be able to read metaphors in the classics rather than reading it like the modern writings. In comparison, the modern writings are much more direct and easier to understand.

Let's follow the MH's logic... 道2 可道2，非常 道1 道2可道2, If speak(道2, verb) can be spoken(道2, verb) of , 非常道1 Then, it is not the eternal Tao1. If speak can be spoken of, then, it is not the eternal Tao. Is this sound okay....???

Let's follow the logic... 道1 可道2，非常 道1 Tao is the subject here, isn't it proper to state the subject at the beginning like: 道1可道2, If Tao(道1, noun) can be spoken(道2, verb) of , 非常道1 Then, it is not the eternal Tao1. If Tao1 can be spoken(tao2) of, then, it is not the eternal Tao1.

Okay, I wasn't exposed to that too much....

HE.... I read your message loud and clear and got the hint to leave your stuff alone. It shall be done.....

the Tao (verb) that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao (noun). Correction: Tao1 (noun) that can be spoken(tao, verb) is not the eternal Tao2 (noun). Tao1 is the same as Tao2 in the sentence. Can we put the "the" in front of a verb....??? The speak; read; write; or eat.

Description of FaJin in Chinese TAI CHI FA JING THEORY Note: Only Tai Ji Practitioners have the Fa Jin ability. No other types of martial arts have this kind of ability.

Then, we would be bored to death.

Tao is "principle" but not the "way". A "way" is only part of a principle rather than the whole principle. Besides it's a principle, LaoTze had vitalized Tao with many descriptions such as invisible, profound, and obscure. In this case, Tao is Tao rather than a principle or a way. Hence, using the term "The Way" as a translation is improper and doesn't fit here. Tao in Confucian is the Principle of Morality rather than the Way of Morality. Zhuang Tze use Tao in the same manner as LaoTze but only he putted more emphasis on the Principles of Living for a free individual by blending himself with Nature. Again by following the natural path of Nature as LaoTze suggested but in a reverse manner. LaoTze wants to yield to Nature but Zhuang Tze wants Nature to yield to him. Zhuang Tze wants to live his inner self and did not want to deal with the outer part of his life. For example, he refused the offer to become a bishop from the ruler of the Sate of Chu. He told the messengers of Chu that he rather fishing than taken care of somebody else's problem. So, he can be free of all headaches. He was preferred to have a life as "wanderer" to go anywhere as he pleases without any restriction. He thinks that each individual should have a trouble free mind. The human soul should be relaxed at all time with no worries. @rene...Thank you for the fresh apple.....

Sure! It would be interesting....

Definition for Tao. LaoTze: Tao is to follow "Wu Wei" which is the Principles of Nature. He will be Wu We to Nature. Zhuang Tze: Tao is to follow the inner nature of oneself. Let Nature be Wu Wei to him. Confucius: Tao is the outer nature of oneself by proving one's moral conducts to one's society. He is You Wei.

"This is my last comment on this" The "this" was referring to a "particular subject" that was mentioned in that post. I will post again if something new that comes up. PS..... The reason I do that was I don't want to repeat myself over and over for the same thing.

what is 樂間.....???

LaoTze, Zhuang Tze and Confucius are three different philosophers. Don't you think that their interpretations should be far apart from each other....??? Shouldn't there be a great distinction between them....??? Can you tell that in Zhuang Tze's inner chapters has nothing but opposite views against Confucius......??? How did you come to such a conclusion that: "we can make far more sense of it if we adopt an interpretation closer to (though not necessarily identical with) Confucius' use of the term."....?????