ChiDragon

I can't because that is not very Wu Wei like....

Yes, you mean like building a dam on the Yangtze River to control the flood and generate the electrical power but killing all the living creatures. Do you think that was very Wu Wei like...???

Yes. I really hate that......

Yes, me too. Divine way is just like good gives each their dew reward which is not Wu Wei.

治民治国: Ruling the people and ruling a country. 治病: cure a sickness; 治理: Take care of 不治之病: incurable illness 無不治: Modern Chinese: there is nothing that cannot be cured. Classic Chinese: there is nothing that cannot be cured; there is nothing that cannot be done or handled.

Okay. I accept that. Can you give me a good example of doing nothing but did something with result from the point of view of the Tao Te Ching.

1. 道常無，名樸。 Yes, the "Wu" means Tao is invisible(無). It did not negate anything else. BTW this "常無" carries the same meaning as in Chapter 1. Edited: Sorry, I'd over looked this part. The example given here was to negate something as the same for all the rest of the chapters. So, I included as one of the examples in the specific chapters as in my OP.

Hi, rene I thought you might be curious about that....!!! It was for the same reason as in post #64: 無(wu) was used to negate 有(you). Thus 無有 means "not have" or "have not". All the Wu's in the rest of the chapters were used to negate something. Examples: 無知: knowing nothing 無欲: no desire "Wu" have specific meanings in these chapters as I had explained.

No, I do not understand what you mean...!!! How can I be doing nothing but doing something....??? The logic just didn't kick over.

Do you know what Wu Wei is.....???? If you do, please tell me....

What you are saying which does not fit the definition of natural in Wu Wei. Thus Natural way is not equal to Divine way.

A natural way is a divine way only from a point of view. No...???

Corrections: Wu is none, no, non, have not Wu Wei only implies the meaning of being Natural. Its true meaning is "Let Nature take its course". LaoZi did not say : "I Wu Wei" but he said : Thus sage said: "I Wu Wei"

Inhale very very slowly with the nose and exhale with the mouth at the same speed. Never breathe in with the mouth to avoid any impurity which might sucked into the body. This is one way which might improve the breathing problem. She might want try this breathing procedure and see if that helps! While breathing in with the nose very slowly when felt a slight congestion, then, immediately try to breathe out with the nose very slowly to clear the passage. Repeat this procedure continuously. Do not force or fight the nose to suck in the air.

No, she only said: "Let's wait and see!"

yiming.... Be nice to rene, she sounds like she is a Cantonese too.... She may know more than we do. BTW She is right about associating "spiritual and physical" with " 有 (you) and 無(wu)". 無(wu) is spiritual because Tao was invisible at the beginning of heaven and earth. 有 (you) is physical because Tao has been manifested by all things that are being created.

LaoTze was clueless about American English alright.....

Tai chi ruler is good for concentration but it restricts the movements and the distance between the hands and arms.

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Chapter 75 以其上之有為 High above has a You Wei(有為). 有為(You Wei) : premeditated action expecting results. This is the only chapter had first mentioned 有為(You Wei), the complement of Wu Wei(無為) .

Chapter 48 取天下常以無事，及其有事， Ruling a country with no disturbance(無事) and with wearisome office affairs(有事).... 無事(wu shi): no disturbance 有事(you shi): has wearisome official affairs

Chapter 46 1. 天下有道 2. 天下無道 1. The country is on course by following the principles of Tao, ..... 2. The country is not on course by not following the principles of Tao, ..... 1. 有道(has Tao): following the principles of Tao. 2. 無道(has no Tao): not following the principles of Tao.

Chapter 32 1. 道常無，名樸。 2. 始制有名， 1. When Tao was always in the State of Wu, thus it was simple and natural. 2. At the beginning of the manifestation of Tao, the names were given to all things that are created.

1. "I" in Chinese are 吾(wu) and 我(wo). 2. How would his express that? Chapter 25 吾不知其名 I don't know its name. Chapter 53 使我介然有知 1. If I have a little bit of knowledge,

1. If you follow the TTC closely, LaoTze was suggesting to live a simple life in a low profile. BTW That's was exactly what he did by isolating himself from history. He wrote it for the rulers by suggesting them to rule with the principle of Wu Wei. 2. I think the DDC is one book but there were many copies of it. Originally, it was written on bamboo slips which made it hared to carry. So people recite them orally. However, when the text was passed by the word of mouth, thoughts so get lost during the translation. Sometimes, when people tried to write it down, they were not sure what are some of the characters should be. Thus they use phonetics which it will create some errors. It seems to be that the DDC was not written by many authors because it was written in first person. LoaTze used "I" alot in the text. Besides, there was no other literature has been written in the same way and style which was similar to the wisdom of LaoTze.