ChiDragon

Let's get the fundamental out of the way first.... The meaning of Yin-Yang

oops.... I need to borrow your words again......

The whole theme of the Tao Te Ching was based on the concept of Wu Wei. Here are the steps of the logic: 1. Take no action 2. Take no abusive action 3. Take no abusive action to interfere 4. Take no abusive action to interfere with the course of Nature. oops..... sorry, edited by mistake. It cannot be restored what had been said.

Is that my problem or yours.....???

Yes, I do agree it can be but it needs to be more specifically stated for clarity. I can only deal with what was giving to me at the time. I do not make erroneous assumptions to the subject of interest nor to the messenger.

I am still trying very hard indeed........

I got the definition of Huang Ting from the interpretation of a native source. 黃為中央之色(Yellow is the central color) 庭為四方之中(Ting is the center of the four directions.) Ref: 黃庭 Huang Ting

Are you pulling some reverse logic on me..............??? :D

thelerner: "To wit: Stosh: How do you think, considering yin and yang as 'forces' sheds light on objective reality?" Stosh: "How much have you looked into whether it makes sense at all to call yin and yang forces?" Shall we get back on course again...???

Taoism did not believe in science, that is why.....???

BTW... The principles in the Tao Te Ching were mainly advices for the rulers to rule with benevolence. However, the principles are too idealistic but not practical to be carried out by any politician. The purpose for Taoists in the Taoist religion was for a better health and longevity. They tend to stay close to Nature as naturalists, so to speak. That was why they don't want to get involve with politics. Of course, those Taoist priests with high wisdom were admired by the rulers and was asked to be the ruler's advisers. Indeed, some high priests were reluctant to help the ruler unless the ruler was really serious and sincere.

Yes, there are two types of Taoists. One type is the scholars who study the pure principles in the Tao Te Ching. The other was those who interpret the Tao Te Ching as their canon for creating a religion.

Someone calls oneself a Taoist may not be a true Taoist. BTW Anyone can call oneself a Taoist but has to be judged by one's action. A true Chinese Taoist does not go to serve the State nor get involve with politics. PS... A true Chinese Taoist is someone that believes in the principles of the Tao Te Ching or belongs to a Taoist religion.

The integral of Yin-Yang is always One. The musics can go either way. For example, if the music sounds sad then, it will remind someone's sorrow which is in the Yin attribute. On other hand, if the music makes people happy and lively, then it is in the Yang attribute.

Chapter 8 Translation in terse English: 1. High virtue is like water. 2. Water is good at benefiting all things without contend. 3. Attends places where people disdain. 4. Hence, water is similar to Tao. 5. Dwell in good selectable places, 6. Good deep in the heart with peace and kind to others, 7. Spoken words with trust, 8. Rule with benevolence, 9. Conduct affairs with best ability, 10.Take action in a timely manner, 11.Therefore, only by not contending, 12.Thus no resentment. Isn't this a suggestion for what to do, emotionally, in a traffic jam. By flowing the principal of Lines 3 and 4 in Chapter 8 of the TAo Te Ching: 3. Water attends places where people disdain. 4. Hence, water is similar to Tao. 6. Good deep in the heart with peace and kind to others(by not getting upset with the traffic jam), 11.Therefore, only by not contending(with your temperament), 12.Thus no resentment.

Yes, that is the basic idea where the interactions of the Five Elements came from. And the Yin-Yang story is different.

Fellas... Before we jump into the Yin-Yang and the Five Elements, don't you think it would be a good idea to give them a little introduction of how they came about first...???

Let's not say that the definitions have to be absolute. How about somewhat recognizable or noticeable for discussion sake....???

Incorrect translation: neijing(內景), or internal classic and the waijing (外景), external classic. Correct translation: neijing(內景), or internal environment, waijing (外景), or external environment. Internal classic: 內經(nei jing) External classic: 外經(wai jing) These are the three classics or methods within the Huang Ting Jing(黃庭經). 《黃庭內景玉經》: Practice meditation for concentration with devotion to the practice. 《黃庭外景玉經》: Practice turtle-like breathing for longevity and pay close attention to the body fluids. 《黃庭中景玉經》: This document was written later than the first two. Normally was not included in the Huang Ting Jing(黃庭經). People did not mention too much about it. 黃: Yellow, it is the central color in the Chinese mythology. 庭: Ting is the center of the four directions. The Chinese Taoist use the term Huang Ting(黃庭) to represent the Dan Tien of the human body. It is more meaningful to stick with the original term as Huang Ting(黃庭) other than the direct translation (Yellow Court).

No....

It is not "either or" but one way or the other. One must get the fact straight. This is the time to enhance one's wisdom and to be enlightened. So, one won't be alone and out of the communication....

'Violence' was not the right word to be asked for justification. Is your action justifiable was in question....!!!

People only want to see what they believe and believe what they want to see. Even they don't see it but they still think that they are seeing it. Thus it must be the so call visualization is playing tricks in their pseudo-physical mind. Sometimes, there are things seemingly appeared to be and people took it as the truth. Unfortunately, they are continuing to insist in their beliefs and live with it.

《黃庭經》是道教上清派的主要經典，也被內丹家奉為內丹修鍊的主要經典。分為 《黃庭內景玉經》、 《黃庭外景玉經》、 《黃庭中景玉經》。 Is this what you are looking for. I can't find Huang Ting Wei Ching. 黃庭經(Huang Ting Ching) 黃庭 is a Taoist esoteric term means dan tien.