ChiDragon

What is happening in the abdominal breathing...??? Under the condition of abdominal breathing, the diaphragm will be flattened allowing the lungs to expand more downward to increase its volume. Thus more air can be filled in the lung. That is why it was called abdominal breathing or literally was described as "sink chi to the dan tien"; 氣沉丹田. Actually, there was nothing sang in the abdomen or the dan tien but expansion. PS... My definition of Chi is 'air' or 'breath', hereinafter, in order to be valid in my discussion. If you are start arguing with the definition as 'energy', then it may be a waste of time. I do meant what I said, it is not wise to change my wording for your own beliefs. Wu Wei, Wu Wei, please.

This is only a demo. Not a video competition. You can post and whatever you like....

The respiratory system(RS) was provided for External Breathing. External Breathing involves inhalation and exhalation to exchange gas between the body and the outside atmosphere by the lungs. The lung is the main organ in the RS. The ultimate goal in breathing was to fill the lungs to its full capacity when possible. Let's look into what will happen in the condition of hypoxia by comparing the volume of air in the lungs. If a person breathes and only fill the lung by a percentage by volume, we can determine one's health condition. 25% of its volume, this person is definitely very very sick. 50% of its volume, this person is in poor health. 75% of its volume, this person is somewhat healthy, 100% of its volume, this person is very healthy and a Chi Kung master. As I said before, Chi Kung is the ultimate method of breathing. The ultimate goal in Chi Kung is have to ability to perform abdominal breathing. Only abdominal breathing will and can fill the lung to the 100% capacity. Many people do not understand what it meant by "sink chi to the dan tien", 氣沉丹田. First of all, Chi means air or breath by the Chinese definition, not the western definition as 'energy'. Dan tien is just only a descriptive location where the abdominal is. What the Chinese meant by "sink chi to the dan tien", 氣沉丹田, was that when the abdomen was fully expanded during inhalation. We all knew that the breath does not get into the abdomen but only in the lungs. What is happening in the abdominal breathing...??? Under the condition of abdominal breathing, the diaphragm will be flattened allowing the lungs to expand more downward to increase its volume. Thus more air can be filled in the lung. That is why it was called abdominal breathing or "sink chi to the dan tien"; 氣沉丹田. One time I was in a Chinese herbal store, I saw a lady with a pale face was waiting to see a Chinese doctor. I walked to her and told her that she has a poor blood circulation. In addition, I told her she needs to practice Chi Kung because she has a breathing problem. Her response was how do I know that she has a breathing problem which she does. The lady owner of the herbal store gave me a dirty look; she was in fear that I might take her customer away.

I would like to put more emphasis on this. We do not and cannot force oxygen into the blood and organs faster. However, we can only provide more oxygen into the body and the body will take care itself internally and maintain in a state of homeostasis. I can say how we can do this and why....!!! When we breathe, we do it externally and internally. The external breathing was done by the respiratory system(RS) which is controllable directly and the internal breathing was by the circulatory system(CS) which is not controllable directly. The body wants to convert all the glucose into energy instead of turning it into lactate or lactic acid. By now, we had learned from Cellular Respiration(CR) that we need lots of oxygen to convert glucose into body energy ATP. Otherwise with the lack of oxygen, which know as hypoxia, the glucose will be turned into lactate or lactic acid. The are two ways that can cause hypoxia. One is breathing problem; and the other is due to strenuous excise but it is recoverable in an hour or two depends on the breathing condition of each individual. PS... Instead of making each post lengthy and boring, I will post the explanation of the external and internal breathing and their effects separately.

Have you.....??? Let's concentrate on breathing and oxygen for now. Then, it will lead to the other things later.

Yes, let Nature take its course....

It was not forcing oxygen into the blood. There was only more oxygen provided to the blood due to the abdominal breathing. The oxygen does not have to go into the organs any faster. It is because the heartbeat is at normal due to the oxygen was not lacking. Visualization has nothing to do with breathing.

Ref-1: Lactic acid Ref-2: Latcate threshold For a Chi Kung practitioner, the pyruvate will not be converted to lactic acid because there was no hypoxia condition to reach a lactate threshold level.

The thinking is in reverse. It is the other way around. The body weight exercises, if done strenuously, will consume some or all the oxygen in the muscles. Eventually, the lactic acid fermentation will take over and cause muscle pains. In Chi Kung, with slow movements, one is breathing more oxygen which will prevent the pyruvic acid turns into lactic acid. Instead, cell respiration will produce more ATP for the body to function.

Due the breathing and muscle movements in Chi Kung, may I suggest that all practitioners should know something about muscles contraction first. muscle contraction

Modern science vs the principles of Chi Kung Muscle contraction demo At 0.36 At rest, most myosin crossbridges are at the crocked configuration. The Chi Kung practitioners are referring it as in the 'song1(鬆)' position.

You may have a great deal of freedom in speech over there. You can say anything you like or even curse somebody out with great insults and it was OK. However, if you say something they don't want to hear, they just curse back at you with the worse language that was ever existed. There are only six to seven member left in the forum just to discuss the things that they like. Otherwise, all the outsiders are closed out. There are some old members sometimes still sneak in to take a peek to see what was going on. My advice to you is DON'T GO there and stay out..... Now, "Dao is Open" is Closed.

Yes, it is true. The native Chinese have an advantage over the non natives. It's because the native do not have to deal with any translation or mistranslation. Hence, they only have to be concerned with the interpretation which are written in their own language. Of cause, the Taoists wouldn't follow it blindly. It was simply that they have their own interpretation which may be esoteric to the outside people.

A Seeker... Like the old saying: There was always a teacher among a company of three. The OP had mentioned "Apparently the bodies electromagnetic field stores metabolic energy in cells"; then I came into the challenge, by reasoning, that the energy was not stored by the electromagnetic field. In the discussion process I had made an erroneous statement that there was no EMF in the human body. Finally, you had come along to present your case about EMF microscopically. Event though it was indirectly related to the subject of interest, but I had learned a great deal by your incredible insight about EMF. Thank you. Despite to the facts that the EMF is a form of energy, however, it still was not the kind of energy that was intended in this thread. It was more of a macroscopic form of energy such as human muscle energy. Again, thank you for your clarification on the EMF.... @-K- The large acid batteries are still chemical batteries.

This was only your opinion. The Taoists do follow the principles of the Tao Te Ching. Difficulties can be resolved, it doesn't mean it is going to be forever...

As I'd mentioned before, LaoTze was concerned more about the harm than the good. In your scenario, Wu Wei should be applied to the son. He was not being Wu Wei because he has an intent to cause harm. BTW You think the parents can stop him from being a robber...??? However, they still can try, but they are only try to be good rather than causing an interference to be harmful. Do you understand the difference between your scenario and mine....??? Also, the application of Wu Wei is different in each case. One must understand the concept thoroughly in order to apply it in different situations. @marblehead.... You are a two headed snake............... :lol:

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Lung volumes and lung capacities. Lung volumes

How cells obtain energy in mitochondria...??? 14.02 mins: Cells obtain energy

Cellular Respiration - Energy in a Cell Manufacturing of body energy, ATP, by cellular respiration. A. 4:29 mins: Must see B. 10.30 mins: C. 28:55 mins video:

Sliding filament theory of muscle contraction:

Let's argue about something is more meaningful......alright...???

Let say we all are believing in our own principles. There was really no good explanation about Chi Kung. Since I do practice it and have something to relate to, thus I will not let it go. Unless someone can come up with something more convincing or a better rebuttal. If someone kept on insisting that something is there but not really there or without a good explanation, then it is hard for me to accept. It is a crime is it.....???

You don't have to follow what I say. Please keep an open mind and let this thread continue. You can shoot me at the end. Okay....???

Hi, rainbowvein... So far, this is the most serious and intelligent answer which is leading close to the core of the discussion. All the scientific data were collected but still with no final conclusion. Based on the quote above, don't you think scientists should pay more attention and to investigate in "breathing" and "movements". Breathing is the key factor in Chi Kung. Should we investigate what are we really breathing into our lungs instead making erroneous assumption that were are breathing something else in the air which we cannot identify....??? The movements are the work done by our muscles. Shall we look what is going on inside our muscles because they are part of the body. They are cause all the effects inside the body. Why should we give all the credit to "Chi" because that was what the Chinese said that is what it is...??? Don't you think it is wise to reconsider what "Chi" is or redefine it....??? There are lot things that are comparable with Chi but we are just ignoring it and look nowhere else and come to a standing still....???