ChiDragon

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Yes, very good... The Yin subdues the Yang. It is also the principle of non resistance. Here is the detail I was hoping for in terms of the Yin-Yang concept: The falling force of water droplet was active which is Yang. The mosquito is passive which is Yin. The mosquito drops along at the speed when the droplet touch on its body so there is no resistance against the droplet. No resistance means no weight on its body. Since there is no weight to hold the mosquito in place, then the mosquito can fly away freely to escape the impact onto the ground. This is equivalent to push hand in Tai Ji. The droplet is pushing and the mosquito is pulling. The only difference, in this case, was done vertically in midair.

I will stick with the bio-energy ATP. It is much closer to some reasonable scientific facts...

化勁(huajin)...not a chance because the mosquito is in the air. Besides, the water droplet is a liquid not a solid. Thus haujin cannot be done with a liquid. The secret was when the force of the water droplet is at the lowest resistance, the mosquito flies away horizontally. That's what I would do, if I am the mosquito. BTW Here is the Tai Ji principle was applied: But what is the principle...???

Sorry, I got into this one. I cannot speak about that, here, because I am an atheist.

Can someone explain this principle in one's own word....??? This is a nice place to give some more examples for the Tai Ji principle....??? It would be very interesting if we can hear them from some of the serious practitioners.

There are an Early Day(heaven) BaGua and a Post Day(heaven) BaGua. There was no such thing as Yin BaGua or Yang BaGua.

My own external force...??? External force means it is coming from outside of me, how can I obtain the external force within my body...???

I guess there was not really who is right or wrong. All the statements people made were just speculations without scientific proofs. However, what we can do is just to evaluate them for the sake of a better understanding. Let's discuss this just for the point of interest. Some Chinese practitioners even said that jin was initiated from the bone. It didn't make any sense to me anyway. In regarding to the above quote about an external force is absorbed through the bone structure. If you don't mind, I would like to give it analysis. What it was saying that an external force must be applied, in order, for it to be absorbed. Assuming push hand will be in that condition. However, in some cases, there were no external force like pushing a table or a door at the department store. Therefore, the force has to be exerted internally then. What do you think about that...???

Let's stay within the subject of interest. May I ask does the internal force going through the muscles...??? This is how I understand it: The body strength of a non Tai Ji practitioner is li(力) through muscular action. The body strength of a Tai Ji practitioner is Jin(勁) which also through muscular action. The only difference between li and jin was that Jin is much stronger. Jin can only be developed from years of Tai Ji practice. Otherwise, the li will be stayed as li all the time. Another words, li become jin after Tai Ji practice; and li is no longer li.

snowmonki.... Thank you for your honest opinion. Please ignore all the posts between me and this individual because I strongly feel that was totally unnecessary to have this kind of conversation in this forum. Like I had say, my basic concept was ignored and it was just offshoot elsewhere and suffocated this thread. I am here to explain the principle of Tai Ji with the Yin-Yang Concept. All the Tai Chi Quan are based on this concept regardless of what style. I have never criticized what style is better than the other. FYI The Yin-Yang concept was never outdated. All Tai Ji styles are hidden with this concept. Now-a-days, most people are neglecting to understand this principle because I have not heard anyone had mentioned or talked about. The most I heard was to be 'sung' all the time. However, the breathing was another significant feature in Tai Chi, and nobody had even mentioned in any of the discussions. When 'jin' was mentioned, I just felt that the right description did not come out from those whom had spoken of. I felt that there are lot of things were missing here and I thought that I might fill them in. Sometimes, I do feel weird and like a fool for sticking my head out like this in an unfriendly atmosphere. But hey, sometimes, I do pick up one or two listeners. Then, I felt "hey! I do get my point across once awhile". Some of the people want to learn and cultivate this fine art of Tai Ji. Cultivation of this fine art involves cultivating the mind. If people cannot keep their cool, then I have to assume that they have not attained the highest realm.

I see that you are very convincing with the kind of terminology that you are using here.

Translated by whom....??? Wasn't that some kind of external influence was introduced to distort the original heritage....??? Who said anything wrong about any style....??? Where did you get this vague idea...??? Edited to add: oops.... Sorry, I forget about the western boxing that was included in your story about the authentic traditional Tai Ji Quan.

manitou... We are all happy for you.... Stosh... I think you are long way from getting the gist about Wu Wei. We'll Wu Wei and see...

Yes, Tao has no mercy. A natural fire burns causing no harm to the forest but good. It is because that was how Nature fertilize and enrich its land. However, when human set a fire was not natural because the fire burnt at the wrong place and the wrong time. Thus it causes more harm than good. Wu Wei is more concern about the intentional action which was causing the harm. Wu Wei has less concern about the intend of a good outcome but it cannot tolerate any bad intend, so to speak.

Now-a-days, there are things called Traditional Tai Ji and International Tai Ji. Traditional Tai Ji: The Tai Ji Practitioners speak no other languages to be influenced by outsiders. They learn it straightly in China with the old heritage from generation to generation. International Tai Ji The style was taught outside of China which influenced by the other people and styles. The original heritage were no longer there.

I think so too....

Yes, let's stop this nonsense which leads us nowhere.

His whole body was mobilized by his opponent. He cannot hold his center position because the opponent's Jin is in full control. By the way that the people are giving advices, here, about Tai Ji, it seems to me that some are just totally lack of the knowledge about Jin or Fa Jin.

Not yet, I am sure that there will be a wise guy is going to come up with it....

It is the Jin that was developed from the years of Tai Ji practice. I had said this many times. I am not surprised that so many people had claimed that they had learnt Tai Ji from knowledgeable teachers. However, they are still in the mist about Fa Jin. Unfortunately, the sad part is that I was treated as a fool when it comes to the knowledge of Tai Ji...

Please watch the first video or the next two. I am not trying to prove anything. Just watch and listen. Tai Chi Kick below the belly button

I wish there was more discussion about the principle was being presented than the personality warfare.... Does it matter who said it or where the principles came from if they are valid...?? Is it kind of narrow minded just to discredit some fundamentals due to some bias feelings. In the first place, everyone was ignoring the real issue, except one or two. All the rest were waiting to find a little minor issue to send this thread 10,000 miles off the track.

Thank you for keeping your cool. Let me express myself more clearly. I am not against any style or anybody here. I am just plainly stating the principles behind this fine art. Now-a-days, the fundamental philosophy of the art has been neglected by many. I know I am very crazy speaking aloud here with my nonsense as someone might see it that way. I see people only wants to hear what they want to hear. Then some people will tell them what they want to hear. I do agree that things do change as the time passes. It is not for me to say what is right or wrong, I just want to expose to the world that are some things are more refine and profound out there. It is not my duty to force anyone to accept them. I do see that there are more rejection than reception. Like they say, when there is Yang there is Yin and vise versa. Hopefully, there is Yang within Yin and Yin is within Yang to reach harmony along the way. PS... Sorry, I have kicked too high this time and violated my own conservative principle...

Well, most people do the practice first then learn the principles later to appreciate and cultivate this fine art. If one wants to learn Tai Ji the first thing is learn to kill, then one is either turn Tai Ji into Kung Fu or just learn Kung Fu.