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There is no need to measure your maximum heart rate if you are a Chi Kung practitioner. As a Chi Kung practitioner, your heart rate will never go up that high, unless you are an athlete. As a matter of fact, you want to avoid the maximum heart rate at all times. You never want your heart to beat that fast. That's why Chi Kung practitioners do slow movements and do abdominal breathing to keep the heart rate at normal while consuming a maximum amount of oxygen.

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After 5 minutes of light movement and breathing Chi Kung, my blood pressure and heart rate are as follows: Measured consecutively: Sys Dia HR 153 73 74 140 80 74 128 79 72 136 77 70

I did measure my personal data for light moving qigong. They were about the same. It seems to me 90-100 indicates that the movements were little bit vigorous. However, I will make measurement again with light movements. If one breathes properly, due to the sufficient of oxygen, then the heart shall not beat faster than normal. @Jeramiah Zeitigeist I have not measured my heart rest rate. My main concern was that am I within the normal healthy range...??? I was...

Qigong cancer and the relationship between oxygen People can not die one week without eating, but hypoxia few minutes into the kingdom of heaven! If the brain hypoxia 3 minutes, brain cells will die, and in a vegetative state! Because oxygen are everywhere, not money and labor, and thus ignored by people. Today the medical profession finally understand the truth: Hypoxia is a source of all diseases. If our internal organs, often oxygen, will produce disease; vascular stenosis or if the hardening of the body's oxygen supply is reduced, at any time will have heart disease and stroke caused by critical illness, even death at any time! One of qigong healing principle is to practice breathing better way to inhale more oxygen, supply the body, the body will not produce disease, or disease organ repair. In recent years, more and more types of cancer, up to dozens! Although there are some cancers have high cure rate, but most cancer mortality are high, especially for the even terminal cancer. Although there is hope of cancer cure middle period, but Western methods of therapy, is also a great damage to the body. Cancer is often cured, but have many other complications, the results of the patient does not die of cancer, but died of complications! Even in the rehabilitation period, the patient is still suffering the torture! Take a large number of chronic diseases, the treatment with Western medicine, is life-long medication <that is not radical>; and western medicine is also a great harm to the body, the same damage to other equipment, although the patient may be able to prolong life as much as two to three years, but during the tortured, and finally slowly wither like a flower, also died of complications! Cancer in recent years to use more integrative medicine treatment, all living has increased, the patient's body pain also reduced, but still have damage to the body, also to life-long medication, and finally died of complications still! Qigong cancer since ancient times has been, since the female painter Guo Lin Faming method of cancer, "New Qigong therapy" was published, but also to deepen people's understanding and confidence in qigong cancer. She's in a different footwork exercises with different breathing methods, and only one purpose: to eliminate large amounts of oxygen inhalation cancer cells. Her practice and in recent years coincides with the view of Western medicine: oxygen can kill cancer cells. Since then, other cancer exercises have emerged, such as Hok Cheung pile Qigong, Zhan Zhuang therapy, cinnabar palm exercises, etc. <In fact, there are many, these types of the more popular it>. I think most of the time-tested experience of qigong, the role has cancer, the question is whether to concentrate on practice, time enough, so the exercises can deepen it. The role of cancer qigong is yes, of course, there are certain limitations. Assuming the patient has a terminal cancer, age, and up to 70 and 80 years, both the number of complications, it is a fairy can not put out! But qigong for cancer patients, there are several points can be done. First, extend the life of cancer patients; the second is to reduce or eliminate adverse side effects of Western medicine; third is to reduce and eliminate a variety of physical pain; Fourth, the body weakening the strong <relatively strong, that is better than before> . Tai Chi Qigong 48-style ---- Today I want to say is that the relationship between qigong cancer and oxygen. Thick forest on the province's "Tai Chi Qigong 48-style", it's different from tai chi, is that the latter is a natural breathing, qigong and tai chi is take a deep breath, the purpose of absorbing large quantities of oxygen. Had finished a set of Tai Chi Qigong 48-style, in general for about 10 minutes. But 10 minutes of breathing is still too fast, should be 20 minutes, each type of breathing time before enough long enough. In fact, the best 25 minutes, the role of cancer was the largest. However, in general beginners, 48-style sense of practice 10 minutes is too much. Most people feel dizzy, shortness of breath, chest tightness, etc.! Why? Because they usually are not used on deep breathing <short Xiongshihuxi, lack of blood oxygen content, when coupled with obesity, eat less move so it will be riddled with problems> caused by a large number of critical illness. There are some women among the students and the infirm, or have serious chronic diseases, early Tai Chi Qigong, or even to breathe naturally, will not cause physical discomfort. If side while practicing deep breathing exercises, time will be quite long, and in practice the process will lead to discomfort or even bias, but also against the practice of faith healing! I have a method of training can be much faster into the deep breathing, without bias. Deep breathing exercises method: Prepare a pot of water, took a deep breath, exhale head immersed in water, each inhale and exhale should count the time from 5 seconds or 10 seconds to start, 30 to 50 times each practice . If possible, practice daily in meals, three times. Exercises to progressively, such as a sense of chest tightness, shortness of breath or dizziness, they should reduce the number of seconds to breathe. If so infirm, serious chronic diseases, respiratory illnesses, colds easily, should the warm water exercise, frequency and time should be reduced. This practice One or two months, once your breathing, has been able up to 1 minute. Then, you practice Tai Chi Qigong, the 48-style 20 to 25 minutes is more than a maneuver. So every time you practice, can be inhaled a lot of oxygen, can cure physical and remove toxins from the body. However, deep breathing, only to meet the requirements of the half, the other half is thin and static. That is: hear breathing noises, and a fine of feathers on the nose, your breath will not be blowing feathers. Why is it so? Wheezing sound of breathing is breathing, that the body can not relax, the brain has not yet into the quiet, muscle and internal organs, are still caught in a certain tension contraction, fine and quiet breathing is to the contrary, the brain can relax into the quiet. How to reach small and static caused by breathing it? I also provide a simple and effective way. Small and static methods of breathing exercises: sitting exercises to a paper towel to open, eat the right hand tucked in one corner of the two means, the angle of the tail light affixed to the nose, fine and quiet breathing exercises. When the breath, the tissue was not blowing more than half an inch away; in meeting this requirement further request exhale tissue does not move. Method was simple, but the difficulty is quite high. Because the more deep breath, blowing to the difficulty of tissue is not higher! And this is only the first step. The second step after the success of training. There are four sheets of paper each tissue apart, now changed to removed the piece of paper, and the remaining three sheets of paper to practice. In the second step, the tissue can not move when practicing the third step, and then removed the more than one tissue, a tissue that is the remaining half, the difficulty again increased. The third step is successful, with only a quarter of the last paper towel sheets, thin and a little breath would blow it. Then you can ask for in 1-minute length of breath, nasal tissue can not exceed the posted half-inch distance. Daily practice four or five times, each ten to fifteen minutes. To know this is very time and practice to be very patient, but it is simple and fast <than the traditional practice methods>. ----- Gentle relaxation exercises in the park I often see some people practicing tai chi, they are a lot of people have practiced for many years, even the basic requirements are lower than, like, like in gymnastics! Action that is not soft, it can not relax. This practice is difficult to mobilize and produce the gas, and so how can physical healing? Gentle movements, physical relaxation, mental relaxation, are the basic requirements of dynamic exercise training. Why do so many people practicing for a long day still can not achieve this request? Education is a collective one, the master can not be both. The other is in the park or government organizations to teach, learn dynamic exercise often do not teach only static power. If you want to practice moving in time to achieve the soft power of the relaxing effect, should learn from the static power, static power can be anything. Among the exercises, gradually be able to experience meditation and relaxation. So when you practice, when dynamic exercise, and then thinking and consciousness to pay attention to body relaxation and mental relaxation, can be achieved gradually relaxing effects. Could be so, your actions will be softened. Sensitivity and gas field ----- a well-established practice, he is a very high sensitivity, can feel a slight sound; feelings of smell, too, such as the smell of the trees. Tai Chi Qigong 48-style is still an example, if you can start practicing, that is surrounded by trees feel the smell, and is different trees have different smells, and you practice and the process, you can also feel the air to the tree , a tree can absorb gas, or gas exchange with the trees for, then prove your skill has reached the middle or above. This physical healing, for the treatment of cancer, there is great effect. Further, Tai Chi Qigong practitioners, practice time in the woods, it can feel a small gas field enveloped the body of <greater the skill the more deep gas field>. On the other hand, there are some who look on the basis of his qigong practice, practitioners also felt the presence of the popular field. Finally, a Tai Chi Qigong practitioners, if they can meet my requirements above, then when he was in my practice, between one breath, feel air flow throughout the body, or like a waterfall pouring down, very comfortable ; or limbs Lotus are breathing; or if sexual pleasure as addictive! In short, deep, quiet breathing in fine, inhalation is not just a lot of fresh oxygen, including the tree air, the universe of useful material. As cancer, cancer will no longer recurrence, stored in the body of the tumor will disappear. So, how can we achieve this practice requirements? If teacher guidance, exercises a year probably, right? Ref: www.qigonghk.com/sick/sick19.htm Translation was done by Translator online

You welcome... The middle finger of both hands(are called the yellow dragon finger by the 全真道, Quan2 Zhen1 Sect) should be placed on the 大橫穴 acupoint, and both thumbs should be placed on the 志室穴 acupoint. The two acupoints are located in both left and right sides on the front and the back of the human body. 1. 大橫(DaHeng): Spleen-15 is located on the left and right sides of the waist, in the front of the body to be touched by the middle fingers. 2. 志室(ZhiShi): Bladder-52 is located on the left and right sides of the waist, in the back of the body to be touched by the thumbs.

Here are my personal data during abdominal breathing at sitting position: Systolic/diasystolic/Heart rate 114 72 77 114 64 73 106 70 75 108 70 72 105 65 73 099 72 78 116 66 78 126 64 78 104 68 72 110 63 80 110 71 81 093 66 72 108 62 76 104 66 70 115 67 76 These are consecutive readings.

Exactly....!!! I think you know what you are talking about.....

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Forward 一、前言站樁一法，流傳已久，我國最古老的醫學典籍《道藏》第一書《黃帝內經》中，就曾指出站樁的最高指導原則為“提挈天地，把握陰陽，呼吸精氣，獨立守神，肌肉若一”。 Speaking about the method of Zhan Zhuang, it has been around for a long time. From our oldest medical paradigm, all the collection of books(道藏) from the Taoist religion. From the first book, Huang De Nei Jing(黃帝內經), it has mentioned the upmost instructive method of Zhan Zhuang as standard for: “提挈天地: promoting heaven and earth， 把握陰陽: assuring the Yin-Yang， 呼吸精氣: breathing the essential chi(air or energy)， 獨立守神: independently guarding the mind(Shen)， 肌肉若一: skin and muscles as one(a whole)”。 全真氣功秉承黃帝內經的精粹，強調調心(神)、調身(形)、調息等“三調”，以獨立站樁調身(形)，達到神、形、息合一而悟道全真。 例如全真祖師全真七子之一的王玉陽，為了修練大道而偏翹一足，獨立九年，東臨大海，未嘗昏睡，人稱為鐵腳先生。 邱長春真人讚之曰：“九夏迎陽立，三冬抱雪眠。”如此練形九年，而入大妙。 由此可見全真道重視站樁功之一斑。 而其法有養生樁與武術樁之分，前者尤為一般弟子必修的基礎功法。 全真(Quan2 Zhen1)Chi Kung was taken the quintessence, emphasize on heart(Shen/mind) cultivation, body cultivation(formation) and breathing cultivation etc., the "three cultivations" from the Huang De Nei Jing. For example, one of the 全真(Quan2 Zhen1) priests, 王玉陽(Wang Yue Yang) for practicing the great method, he stood on one legs for nine years, facing east without even dozing. People called him Mr. Iron Leg. Another priest, 邱長春, appraised him by saying: "Welcoming the sun for nine summers, sleeping with snow for three winters."He had this physical practice for nine years, thus he attained an ingenious state. From this example, one can see the significance of Zhan Zhuang. This method consisted of two different kinds of Zhan Zhuang, Preserve Life Zhuang(養生樁), and Martial Arts Zhuang 武術樁. The former is the basic requirement for all regular disciples. 據筆者師傳經驗與長年氣功門診觀察，發現全真道王玉陽的站樁功蘊含深義，其第一步站樁練形基本功(全真龍門支派稱之為築基帶脈功及龍門太極基本功，華山支派稱之為龍遊基本功)有調理長短腳與骨盤歪斜等作用，而因長短腳與骨盤歪斜影響健康及氣功功境甚深，所以此法堪稱所有氣功功法的根本法之一，也是終生築基功法之一。 唯據筆者多年田野調查，從未見此站樁練形基本功外傳，甚感可惜。 現謹以初稿形式將其引識於此，以企大家共同探討。 二、長短腳與骨盤歪斜之檢測法 (一)長短腳檢測法請受檢者俯臥在硬板床上，面朝下，身體放鬆，兩手伸直，置於身體兩側，掌心朝上，兩腿自然伸直，腳背朝下，檢查者輕握受檢查者雙小腿，將其併攏對齊，檢查內踝骨上緣或腳跟是否有差距。 若有一邊高、一邊低的現象，即可判定是長短腳。 而內踝骨上緣或足跟高的一邊，腳也比較短，檢查時可用有刻度的尺度量，以確保其精準。 (二)骨盤歪斜檢測法正常骨盤，基本上是指人體俯臥(其俯臥情形與長短腳檢測法同)，小腿往臀部彎曲時，雙腳跟緣與臀部間之垂直距離不僅相同而且為零或趨近於零。 將俯臥之受檢者左小腿往臀部方向彎曲，輕壓至無法勉強往下壓(或受檢者感不適時)為止，再用有刻度之尺度量腳跟緣與臀部間之垂直距離。 右小腿也以同法檢測之。 腳跟緣與臀部間之垂直距離愈高，而且左右兩側高度差距越大，顯示骨盤歪斜程度愈嚴重。 但年齡大小及臀部以下骨骼、肌肉之厚薄程度，也會影響檢測骨盤正常與否之標準。 一般體型及中年人，以腳跟緣能緊靠臀部而無不適感為標準，至於肥胖體型者及中年以上者，當依骨骼、肌肉厚薄與年齡大小等另行斟酌設定標準，但原則上雙腳跟緣與臀部間之垂直距離仍宜相同，只是可以不必一定為零。 再者，受檢者如為坐骨骨折或萎縮、重度僵直性脊椎炎、重度退化性膝關節炎等之患者，宜由醫師就個別狀況另訂標準。 To be Continued....

This is my experience. I used a digital blood pressure meter. Normal conditions: 90 - 135 <--- Systolic 60 - 85 <--- Diasystolic 60 - 80 <--- Heart rate In your case, the heart rate 90 - 100 seems a bit high. Can you describe what you did during your qigong practice....???

In general, ZZ does not require strong legs. Its purpose was to make the weak legs to be strong. It is true, at the beginning, is very painful but one must get over the hurdle. I am glad to do the translation of the write-up if I can located the site. It would be helpful if I could read the mentioned translation that was posted here on the forum. Perhaps, someone may guide me to the source.

Like I said, you are only full of TCM in your mind. Based on the way you interpret the Tao Te Ching and Zhuang Tze with your TCM knowledge which they should not be applied. Therefore, I have not further interest to be the counterpart in any of your discussions. No hard feelings. Peace.

心(xin) means heart and it referred as the center of the mind. The ancients once thought that all the thoughts were originated from the heart because the heart was located almost in the center of the body. Now-a-days, people still saying "this is from the bottom of my heart" to show honesty. 神(shen) does not reside anywhere. It was only an image in the mind to describe the body condition and the appearance of a human body. This is only one of the definitions relating to the physical being of a human body. It is not a blanket definition to cover all aspects. I can only go over its definitions one by one. Shen a different meaning in a different context or another technical field. E.g., in religion, Shen means deity or god. Then, it has nothing to do with the mind. Here are some of the application of the character: 1. Relating to the appearance of the human body: 神情(shen qing): facial expression 神態(shen tai): body gesture 神氣(shen chi): proud gesture of a body expression, e.g. Chest up and serious facial expression 2. Relating to deity 神父(shen fu): godfather 神聖(shen sheng): sacred 神仙(shen xian): immortal

It this fair for a good comparison....???

If it was explained too complicated, then no one would be understood....

This is the best of my understanding too. The term Wu Wei is patterned by Lao Tze, so to speak. The entire Tao Te Ching was written based on the concept of Wu Wei. Wu Wei is to let Nature take its course. No intent to interrupt with interference of any kind which might cause Nature to go off its course. Just let things be the way they suppose to be by not trying to change them in any way.

exposure to nature/greenery The advantage is to breathe more oxygen(people like to think as Chi) into the lungs(people like to think as dan tien).

It is not your job. You can't convince the people to do that. Did you see how many times you had failed...???

Lao Tzu... You are making too many general statements here in the forum. I know what you are talking about. However, this is not the way to talk to Westerners. They Like to deal with ideas that are presented more specific. Even though you knew that is a known fact in your mind, but you must have something to sustain your statement in order to be more convincing. PS.... This was learned from the past experience.

Ping Heng Gong: 平衡功/Balance method. The reason it was called "Tree Hugger" is because one stands at Zuan Zhuang position with the hands forming a circle seems like hugging a tree. The original thought in Chinese was holding an urn. It described as "embracing an urn". Basically, it is Zhan Zhuang(站樁). I believe "Tree hugger" was another fancy name was given to it.

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You are enlightened, Marblehead.....