ChiDragon

People, here, in the forum had mentioned about the "dan tien" many many times. Finally, here are the definitions. Question: "What are the three "tian(s)." Answer: "The brain is the upper dan tian(上田); the heart is the middle dan tian(中田); the Chi Hai(气海 or 氣海) is the lower dan tian(下田). Note: 田(tian) was defined as 丹田(dan tian) earlier in this thread.

Knowing, without words. Words are more predictable Confused but it's less

without words, knowing Knowing then put in few words. Now knowing with words.

Set it at low volume then meditate... The Flowery Night of the Spring River(higher pitch) Skip the porno AD... The Flowery Night of the Spring River

Maya... Did you eat anything before or after that happens? How old are you?

Now turned against you For those who thought they knew, Dissolved in mist too.

Who's driving this thing!? Tao's doing all the driving, No more confusion.

Question: What are Zi(子) and Wu(午)? Answered: Zi-Wu, it is between Heaven and Earth. In Heaven, they are the Sun and the Moon. In human, they are the kidney and the heart. In time, they are Zi and Wu. In the Ba Gua, they are Kan(坎) and Li(離). In directions, they are South and North. To understand or interpret these phrases, the reader must have a great knowledge of the Yi Jing. First of all, why Zi-Wu is between Heaven and Earth? It has a lot to do with the Ba Gua diagram. By the Yi Jing convention, we have to rotation the shown diagram by 180 degrees. Now, draw a vertical line in the middle, this line is called Zi-Wu line. It divides the day and night on earth. 1. Zi-Wu is between Heaven and Earth. From the Early Version(Heaven) Ba Gua, 乾(Qian, Heaven), is at the top and 坤(Kun, Earth), is at the bottom. Wu(午) is noon and on top of the diagram, after the rotation, and Zi(子) is at the bottom. Thus it was said that Zi-Wu is between Heaven and Earth. 2. In the Ba Gua, they are Kan(坎) and Li(離). Kan(坎): water; moon Li(離): fire; sun 3. In Heaven, they are the Sun and the Moon. Wu(午) is located in the same position as the Li(離) which is the sun. Zi(子) is located in the same position as the Kan(坎) which is the moon. 4. In directions, they are South and North. The needle of the Chinese compass is always pointing at the South; by the Yi Jing convention, South is always at the top of the Ba Gua. 5. In human, they are the kidney and the heart. In TCM, the Taoists assigned the kidney to Kan(坎) which has the attribute as water. The heart was assigned to Li(離) which has the attribute as fire. To study the Traditional Chinese Medicine(TCM), the student must be familiar with the Yi Jing, in order, to get the relationship between the five elements and the internal organs. Hence, the Five Element Theory is the key to TCM.

　　问曰：“何谓子午？” 　　答曰：“子午，乃天地之中也。在天为曰月，在人为心肾，在时为子午，在卦为坎离，在方为南北。” Question: What are zi(子) and wu(午)?* Answer: Zi(子) and wu(午) are the center-points of Heaven and Earth. In the sky, they are the sun and the moon. In a human, they are the hearts and the kidneys. With respect to time, they are zi and wu. With respect to trigrams, they are kan(坎) and li(離). With respect to directions, they are the South and the North. *The first and seventh unit of the terrestrial branches, respectively. This diagram is drawn upside down with respect to the Yi Jing convention. The Taoist principles are all related to the later version Ba Gua as know as the 后天八卦(Later Heaven Ba Gua).

You are a gentleman and a scholar....

Likewise, likewise....

Yes, dawei......

Yes, and lump everything together....

Yes, Steve...

The Wu and You were introduced in Chapter one. The De has not yet mentioned in this chapter.

I didn't mean a new comer to the site is a dummy. I still need to pick the mind of this wise old soul....

Aha.... Wu and You are not the true names because Tao one time is Wu and the another time is You. LaoTze only given a name for the convenience to describe Tao to distinguish the different state of Tao. Thus he called Tao as Tao for the same reason, convinience.

Yes, you know I would love to; but the site don't allow me to do copy/paste. It must have to do with a copyright issue. I can describe it briefly. It was basically the three things as I had mentioned before. It was about self cultivation(body), breathing, and mind cultivation(meditation).

hehehe.... I knew it was coming. You said you had read a short translated version; even it is in Chinese, as you can see this is a long version. By logical reasoning, obviously you have not read the long translation of this. Sorry, about that. That was just my way of expression in a peculiar way.....

Fine, Steve. I have no objection of what you and others want to do. What I'm doing is converging into the DDJ, and the others are diverging. I have no problem with that. The reason I was talking to Rainy_Day because he is a newcomer and I would like to pick his brain and see what is in his mind.

Yes, during Lao Tze's period, poems were not popular at the time. There were not enough characters to write poem at the time anyway. Besides, most of the poems were written with a fixed number of characters. Some are five and some are seven characters in the later days such as the Tang(唐) and Song(宋) dynasty. Anyway, using the rhymes in a document to determine the meaning of its content instead of the punctuations is not a very good argument to substantiate a rebuttal. BTW This is any subject, I do not wish to going into it here. However, I am glad to discuss the actual meaning of the phrases within context. Anything outside of that is not my main interest.

Yes, the secret of training the internal elixir is completely different. It is classified as the Isometric Chi Kung which involves zazen only. Please keep in mind, by the Chinese definition of Chi Kung, three things are involved. They are cultivation of the mind(meditation), regulation of breathing, and enhance the function of the the body.

Again, "tian" and "xuan", 天 and 玄, are never defined as the same in the modern and ancient. Only Heshanggong(河上公) defined as such. Sorry to ask, do we have to hammer it to fit because someone had said so once in the past...??? IMMHO "同出而异名" was really taken out of context.

Yes, but there are lots of places without rhymes too. We have to consider both ways before come to such a conclusion. 最佳答案 无名天地之始；有名万物之母。 也这么分：无，名天地之始；有，名万物之母。 其实大意差不多，说道生一，一生二，二生三，三生万物。 在道的初期，什么也没有，即无名天地之始。生一之后就是万物，然后就是有了。 跟色即是空，空即是色的意义差不多。就是有无的问题。 Do you accept this interpretation...???

Anyway, I am more concern with the actual meaning rather than the poetic rhymes. Besides, the Tao Te Ching was not written in a poetic way at the time.