ChiDragon

I can sense the uncertainty in your concern. It seems nothing is certain for sure. May I have your permission to be to first fool to present the untouched original native definitions of Naidan and Qigong. Untouched means not a translation. It is not from a classic document. It is just native talk or literature by the knowledge people of the kind? Can we go from there without any distortion from other languages. Please don't use any translator to avoid any misunderstanding. Otherwise, we will be ended up of where we were before. Thank you! Respectfully wait for you response!

Sorry to hear that. The age of the term has nothing to do with the relationship of the systems. It is significant to understand the definition of the terms. The modern terms are only have a better description for expression. People don't follow the definition won't be able to understand nor link one thing to another. By saying what is not without a full understanding, it would be just like shooting air in space. For what?

The problem here is people said they practice qigong and Neidan. Unfortunately, they cannot come up a good description of how they practiced. It seems that those words are just throwing out from here and there. So what, someone practiced, but can't describe it. What good does do? It is a sad thing that people do not realize the practice of breathing is the key to everything. By ignoring this fact, there no need to talk about what they practice. 🤐

It is impossible to do so. It is because each teach will create more deviations. That is why there are so many styles of Taijiquan. I practiced the Yang style Taiji for many years, I had changed some of the moves to fit myself. Does it affect my health? NO! Deviations are only cosmetic. Of course, I would only breathe with my nose but not my mouth. PS Look at Cheng Man Ching. He learnt the Yang style Taiji from a great master. However, he created his own style and called The Cheng Man Ching. The movements in his style are so awkward and hard to remember. That is a big deviation. Don't you think? FYI It still has the same heath effect of Taijiquan. To tell you the truth, I hated his style.

Please don't forget, AI is invented by human. Human has the wisdom over AI. If people only has a cold and one track mind just rely on what they read and blindly believe it without digestion of the material, then, how far can they go? Unfortunately, people tend to believe the mistakes made by the language that they are familiar with and disregard any reasonable doubt. BTW Your's truly is no dummy! Should we pay more attention to the subject rather than attacking the AI? Ladies and gentlemen.

Thank you! If this was translated into English, it's true meaning won't be the same. Somebody will translate 气(chi) as energy. Oh boy!

Ah, yes! I forgot. Shame on me!

Ok sorry! What it is saying, in general, was pertaining to Neidan. It was written in classic format. The esoteric Taoist interpretation is: Since there are 精氣神(Jing chi shen) inside your body to make elixir already, then, why should one be wasting time to hunt for it externally. 長生藥: Immortal herbs were implicating 精氣神(Jing chi shen). It is because they are the main ingredients or three treasures for Neidan.

Did you learn this in Tao school? Which one was that? I want to go there too.

性: xing; cultivation of the mind 命; ming; cultivation of the body. It was known as 性命雙俢; the cultivation of xing and ming.

@Cobie You did not put the 自 in your thought. It seems to be it was a humorous sciatic remark meant for me. It was hinting that I was wasting my time in explaining what Neidan is to everybody.

Haha! Are you trying to tell me something? PS I rather be a fool with my own wisdom. I will not try to make people smart again.

Thank you for this little bit of information leading us to the right direction! Every little bit helps to find its way to the truth.

I will try to follow your logic. However, it might be difficult for me. It is because the truth is the truth. What else could it be. Anyway, thank you for your truthful advice.🙏

Hahaha I am not new here at all. I was banned about three times already by telling the truth. PS Ofc my truth may not be somebody else's truth.

Okay! If you all have make up your mind of what you had injected. I'll quit from here before I get banned. Peace on TDB.

First of all, I didn't say that the Daoist scriptures mislead people too, but the translation done by a layman is. To answer your last question. The reason is I want to test how accurate that AI is responding to my proper questions. It is because I understood what qigong and neidan are all about.

I see where you get your information. However, I know where my contradicting is coming from. Anyway, you are entitle to believe what you have encountered. From my understanding, it contains misinformation that is very misleading.

I see! What you are saying that I should not have initiated the OP to ask the question then!

Well, how do you describe the method of Neidan in your own words? Besides "oh boy". In your own understanding, what is Neidan? How do you practice? If one knew it so well, why not shed some light for us?

It seems to me that the OP is very clear about what it is asking. Somehow, the rest of the input and questioning seem to be out of context.

I have translated what Neidan is many times. Who pays attention to it? Neidan is a known method of Qigong defined by the ancient Taoist. It is not just my understanding, but that is the method. The above post that you had cited "Lü Dongbin asked his teacher Zhongli Quan" does not describe the Neidan method. I don't understand the last paragraph. I just want to know how people view Neidan and their understanding. So far, I have not seen anyone have a good description of Neidan as compared to the Chinese text.

I don't see that there is any conflict, but I don't see what is the significance of the combination for the practice. They are separate methods. Thus they can be practiced separately.

Please state your method of Neidan. So we can compare it. Don't cite something that you don't really understood.

If I can read the original native version, then, why should I read someone's translation? PS The translation is confusing like hell. What is actually the real method in simple words? Who practiced with good results?