ChiDragon

Mind and body are two different entities need to be discussed separately here. We can do without connecting to the channels.

I have never denied that! However, mind and body are two different entities need to be discussed separately here.

Thanks, I can only learn from my own mistakes. I shall remember and learn from this embarrassment However, if you know the language, no matter how I wrote it you would understand. It goes for me too, I can spot any discrepancy from any interpretation or translation right away too! Get a good laugh @Shadow_self

If we are talking too many subjects in one thread, it would be a chaos from jumping back and forth with different things.

The qi and shen is within the body, how can anyone bypassing them?

Yes, it is not to be discussed here!

As I had said before, cultivating the mind is a mantle thing to enhance one's wisdom and mental health. You are asking a hypothetical question related to Nidan(內丹術). It is a different subject.

It may be, it would be more appropriate to discuss it in Neidan(內丹術)

Thanks! Let's stay within the scope of the OP by not going into Shen or Chi.

If you do so, then, we are not speaking with the same meaning of your terms. Again, the Chinese character for Chan and Zen is 禅 from its native language. However, we must use the correct definition in our discussion. Otherwise, we are going circles.

You are correct, Chan Buddhism and Zen philosophy are the same thing. It is only the English spelling is different which causing lots of confusion to a non-native speaker. The Chinese character for Chan and Zen is 禅

Well, there are many forms of practices from Buddhism but practiced by different man in different level by one's choice. Zen masters do not require to practice Yi Jin Jing.

Okay, as I gather your thoughts. You are trying to relate Yi Jin Jing with the Zen philosophy. To my best knowledge, Zen is completely isolated from Yi Jin Jing. Zen is a very high level of Buddhism philosophy. It was performed under deep long meditation secluded in an isolate area, rather than standing up.

Thank you for responding. It is only a matter of speech. Wouldn't you consider any specific body movement is an exercise of some sort. What do you mean by its rather exclusive in this case? And what are the certain principles are applied?

Well, that is your opinion. The professional athletes do not practice Yi Jin Jing doesn't mean it is inefficient. Based on your scenario, professional athletes do not practice Taiji, Qigong, Kung Fu or other martial arts, does that mean they are inefficient also?

It was just an exercise which what it is called. It benefits the whole body, the tendons, body joints and muscles. The tile with the term jin, tendon (筋), it doesn't mean it only applies to tendon only. The term Yi Jin Jing is inclusive. It is a matter of interpretation and understanding.

After Bodhidharma went into Chins to introduce Buddhism, I believe those monks were his first students. I had watch a Chinese documentary from YouTube and it is how it was described.

There is a difference in meditation between Taoist and Buddhist. Taoist meditation is to keep the mind empty without any thought but just breathing to practice Qigong. Buddhist meditation is to keep the mind full with the intention to sort things out in an unresolved philosophy. After the philosophy is resolved then it was said to become enlightened. Buddhist meditation also may be used to create a new philosophy by putting deep thoughts in a particular subject. After the new philosophy is completed, again, it was considered an enlightenment. Yi Jin Jing(YJJ) is to change the tendons and joints in the body as it says. YJJ makes the tendon more flexible and loosen up the body joints and muscles to enhance the body movement. The intention of YJJ is to exercise the body to be more alert with quicker reflex. Bodhidharma went to China and saw the Shaolin monks were sitting all day without exercise. So, he invented the exercise for the monks to have a better physical body health. The Zen masters are more concern with the high level of Buddhist philosophy by going into deep thought to sort things out in meditation. When the thoughts are completed, it was considered another enlightenment.

I believe Yi Jin Jing is the cultivation of the body. Meditation is the cultivation of the mind that does not require any prerequisite.

To my best understanding about the cultivation of the mind. It is not a biological thing. Rather, it is a mantle one. Cultivating the mind is to increase the wisdom and keep the mind pure without malicious thoughts. P.S. The Chinese Taoist term for the cultivation of the mind and body is 性命雙修 (xìngmìng shuāng xiū). 心理健康與生理健康同時並重. It was concerned with both the mantle health and physical health.

Thank you, Cobie May I hear something about your own system?

FYI: It is the jing(精) that builds up the body. In modern term, perhaps, it may be considered jing is the body cell. Building more jing which means replenish the body. It maintain the health of the body. In the same token, the body cells have to keep alive too. It is just a different way of saying for the jing and body cell in a differnt time frame. However, the two are differ in name but came from the same source. I am just wondering is there anyone would buy what I am saying here?

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Yes, there is. They were probably explain things in gross general terms. What I do was to pay close attention to the minor details in practice. For example, like turning your head toward the direction of the toe of the front leg. Shift your weight from left to right, front and back, during the movements to maintain balance. Pay attention to the breathing to coordinate with each movement. One should never have equal weights, with the legs, distributed evenly in the stances. Anyway this is what I am after to expect to be pointed out by the instructors.