ChiDragon

True. Very true. Exactly true. Couldn't agree more. Welcome to the Taoist /non-Taoist site. It seems you are very knowledgeable of the TTC. I love to read your words. What you had said is total relevant and resonant with anyone who understands the TTC. Thank you very much for your contribution of the profound philosophical presentation.

Yes, there is an exception here. We have Taoist police. 🤫

Please don't ask tough questions like that on TDB.

And listening to American music.

Before your disappearance, I must tell you that your username is very impressive.

TY I expected that you won't be here long. I was just about going to ask you. Have you given up yet?😂 PS I will be missing you, my friend.

我們可以從以下三個層次來理解： 1. 起源：早於全真教 「性」指心性、神、意識；「命」指身體、氣、能量。 先秦時期： 《易經》中已有「窮理盡性，以至於命」的說法，這被視為性命雙修的思想源頭。 唐宋內丹家： 在王重陽之前，鍾離權和呂洞賓（鍾呂內丹派）以及北宋的張伯端（南宗始祖，著有《悟真篇》）就已經明確提出了性命雙修的思想。張伯端強調「只修祖性不修丹，萬劫陰靈難入聖」，主張身體與心靈必須同時修煉。 2. 王重陽的貢獻：確立體系 王重陽雖然不是發明者，但他創立的全真教（北宗）對此有獨特的貢獻和偏重： 正式確立為教義： 王重陽將「性命雙修」明確列為全真道的修煉大綱，提出「性命是修行之根本」。 「先性後命」的特點： 與南宗（先命後性）不同，王重陽和全真七子更強調先修性、後修命。他認為應先從「澄心遣欲」入手，心性定下來後，再進行身體能量（命功）的轉化。

I had read a lot already. I can even tell you who invented the Cultivation of Xing and Ming. You just wait.

The universal concept of 性命雙修 is cultivation of the mind and body. The esoteric term to a Taoist for the mind is 性 as 性格 and 品牲. And for the for body is 命。These terms are universal to a Taoist. Even a native person cannot be understood as such without guidance or proper explanation.

The concept of the method of Neidan is the method and universal. Why should it be different from school to school. Why does matter where the source is coming from? Perhaps the documental descriptions may have a slight variation. However, the concept does not change.

In modern term, it is more easy to be comprehensive It is interesting that 身气神 are used here instead of 精气神. 这句话出自《淮南子·原道训》，是道家思想中关于身、气、神三者关系的经典论述。它通过类比政治秩序，阐述了生命健康的根本在于“各司其职”。 以下是为您整理的详细解读： 1. 核心字词翻译 形（形体）： 指肉体躯壳，是生命的载体（“生之所”）。 气（元气）： 指维持生命的能量和动力，是生命的根本（“生之元”）。 神（精神/灵魂）： 指心智、主宰，是生命的统帅和控制者（“生之制”）。 位/职： 它们各自应当处于的位置和担负的功能。 相干： 互相干扰、互相僭越 2. 现代文意译 这段话的意思是： “人的形体是生命的寄托处，元气是生命的本源，精神是生命的统帅。如果其中任何一个失去了它应有的位置，那么形、气、神三者都会受到伤害。因此，懂得养生之道的人（圣人）会使这三者各就其位，各守其职，互不干扰。”

It was just the idea of Wu Wei(無為) has not been caught up with the world yet.

Haha You have no idea that how many chapters I am disagreed with. Try Chapter One. I love to hear this chapter from you and compare with mine.

I think we ran into a situation of 先入為主. Something we had learnt is hard to unlearn it. The biggest problem, here, is the language barrier with no common ground to stand on. One side tells the other side is wrong. It is the stubbornness of both sides won't yield one to the other. Perhaps it is impossible. Thus it ended with 牛頭不對馬咀, then, it comes a standing still. Luckily, just between you and I do not have a communication problem. My heart is calm and blood pressure is normal as I type. This is good for 性命雙修。

This is what I meant. Please keep my quote in context.

That is only your opinion. Perhaps your definition is different than mine.

According to the classic, how would you interpret it?

Please don't try to argue with me. I only do the translation per your request using the Taoist definition as I understood. It doesn't imply that I belive it. Besides, I do not expect the TDBs to believe what I believe.

合気道 Before I realize what it is, I was assumed it was a form of Qigong is because the chi character is in the name. However, after I investigated, I'd found out it just happened to be a form of self defence techniques like push-hands in Taiji.

If you are really interested how I feel about Chi. I can only feel the tremendous energy in my muscles. The Taiji practitioners are considered that as Jin(勁).

Thank you very much. If you have ever found Chi, please put it back on top of my head.

Yes, it really resonated with me. Every word seems pinching my heart. Thank you for sharing. I really appreciated and enjoy reading it. _/\_

The ancient sage had said: The body(命) existed was by the cultivation of the mind(性). The mind came about was because of the body. The body was made by Chi substance. The mind is the driving force which is called shen. Chi was never separated from Shen. However, sometimes, shen was separated from Chi. 炁则本不离神: Chi was never separated from Shen. Whether this make any sense or not. This is the closest translation that I could come up with!

I second to that.

Yes, the universal theory of yin/yang. Thank you for mention it!