ChiDragon

Let me make something clear, the red face only happens during when the breathing was held without any past experience in breathing. However, as soon the breath was released or exhaled, then the red face will be gone. I was assuming that most people do aware of this.

In that case. I apologize! As I had indicated that I was not sure. I can only make an interpretation on how the remark was phrased!

No, you did not read what I said carefully. What I said, people will get red faced only at the beginning because they are unfamiliar to the new method, yet, due to the light-headed-ness. Are you familiar with that? If you have a good teacher, he will warn the students about that. Eventually, the problem will go away at the stage when the Chi sink to the dan tian. Please concentrate on the main points and don't get confused with the minor examples. I am not sure that you are serious about this thread or just would like to make some sarcastic remarks about my understanding on Chi Kung. There was no need for that if you don't mind! PS... I do respect and expect those who respond to the thread would have some basic knowledge in all aspects with a serious manner. PPS... Except you, Rainbowvein.

Hi, soaring crane What I had described, here, is just an emphasis on the most fundamental breathing method for Chi Kung. There are many people who practice Zhan Zhuang stand much longer than one hour. It is only a matter of testing somebody's patience. In regarding to Cloud Hands, it is a Tai Ji form which not many people are familiar with. I do it all the time as you have suggested. It is very good to do it with limited space in a small room by moving laterally back and forth. Please try to stay on track with Tu Na(吐吶) in this thread if you don't mind....!? Thank you! PS.... Regardless what form of breathing one uses, it is basically the same. The goal is to get Chi sink to the dan tian(氣沈丹田). Universally, "dan tian" was understood as the "lower dan tian" in the mind of all Wu Gong practitioners without specifically has to mention it all the time.

Yes, the "red face" was due to the unfamiliar in the deep and long breathing for most beginners. If somebody believes this little bit is about QiGong breathing for sure, then it'd made my day. Tu Na(吐吶) is the key to Qi Gong breathing for sure. I hope someone will get familiar with that.

So, where do we start before jumping to the higher level.....???

What is Taoism? How much do you know about it right now....???

No matter what you said, you do not have the option to come and go in and out of "the light"; even you're a celestial immortal.

"You may not have the option to come back again and remain mortal (unless you're a celestial immortal)" What did you mean by that....???

An immortal process is irreversible because your body is dead. Your soul cannot return to a dead body. Sorry, your answer is still no.

No, I thought we are talking about immortals....!!!

All myth, not theory. One may be from another life but still deals with each life at a time.

Okay, let me rephrase. According to the Taoist mythology, when you become a spiritually immortal, you are no longer the husband of your wife nor related to anyone. You are a free soul. That is the purpose for being an immortal. The answer is still no.

You mean an immortal still live like man and wife to have sex and all that...??? According to the Taoist mythology, as soon one become an immortal, one is disassociated with the human world. Thus your answer is no.

Before we get carried away with the expert opinions, I just want to hear from him what did he learn in the past eight years from his Nei Gong master....!!!

Are we talking about something in general or a specific technique like Nei Gong? I don't think our minds have come to a mutual synchronization yet. I think we should discuss something at a higher level without making generalization statements.

Thank you for answering for Starjumper, I can understand when Kung Fu was taught but Neigong without explanation is not possible.

Sorry, this is not the right place to swing a fist.... How would you like to integrate yourself with Nature....???

You mean just observation and nothing was told to you....???

I don't meditate while walking; only when I am sitting or standing.

Not if you do Chi Kung......one must talk about the UMB.

（一）、內壯健強功夫（內壯功）: Internal strengthen vigorous Kung Fu(Internal Strengthen Gong) 所謂內壯功夫，即通過呼吸吐納和相應的肢體動作對身體內部的肌肉、筋膜、骨骼和臟腑進行高強度的刺激與鍛煉，從而使這些身體組織的機能、功能得以最大程度強化的功法。而這種內壯功夫又可基本分為“氣血鼓蕩”和“抻筋拔骨”兩種練法。 Translation for the portion as shown in red: The so called internal strengthen vigorous effort is by performing the breathing with the method of Tuna(吐納) and coordinated with the body movements by rigorous stimulating and cultivating to the muscles, tendons, bones and internal organs. From that, it may invigorate the body unit and enhance its internal functions to the ultimate..... 氣血鼓蕩(The Chi and Blood Stimulation Method) 氣血鼓蕩功夫即以特定的呼吸吐納法（通常為吞氣、咽氣或噴納等武火呼吸法）配合肌肉的鬆緊轉換，鼓蕩氣血，堅實肌骨。這類功法不僅可以增強肌肉力量，而且可 以通過鬆緊鼓蕩鍛煉出一定的抗擊打能力，故民間所傳的“金鐘罩”、“鐵布衫”之類功夫多練此法。而其他各派如桶子功、十八羅漢功、金剛羅漢功等亦為此類功 法之代表。 氣血鼓蕩(The Chi and Blood Stimulation Method) is a special adopted breathing method is called Tuna Fa (吐納法) which was used in coordinated with the muscle alternating from relaxation and contraction, stimulating the Chi and blood, and strengthen the muscles and bones. This kind of method was not only to invigorate the muscle strength but also may acquire an ability to resist any striking attack by went through the cultivation of the alteration from relaxation and contraction for the muscles...... Ref: http://www.soonup.com/bbs/thread-6370-1-1.html

Sorry to say, this is going to be another one of those inconclusive dead end on the subject matter.

It is because they are there for a reason and that is tao(the principles of Tao). Note: tao(small t): 道理; reasons; the principles of Tao.