ChiDragon

Yes, basically, that is what it is. Neigong is like standing at a Zhan Zhuang position with breathing. Qigong may be practiced by sitting or laying down with breathing. Another way for Qigong is practiced with physical movement and breathing. The good examples for Qigong are Taiji, Xing Yi, Bagua and etc. However, the only requirement is to practice slow to moderate speed. The goal is to reach the realm of abdominal or LDT breathing. Hereinafter, the LTD breathing should become the normal breathing habit at all times, besides during the practice. The constant of the abdominal breathing is like given one to practice Qigong all the time. Hence, it is not limited to be practiced at one time nor one place but all the time. Do you know how effective that could be making your body health and strong. That the power of practicing Qigong and Neigon. Now let's look at the method of Neidan. It was practiced by sitting at zazen position with LDT breathing. It has the same purpose of reaching the goal as in Qigong, Neigong. Finally, we have the Neigong practice is by standing, Neidan is by sitting and Qigong is by moving. Now I think I have a better understanding of each method. Before, I wasn't as clear as today. I am glad that I have initiated the OP.

You have misdefined "name" as 'moral" to put in the sentence makes no logical sense.

刑不勝正 Haha, that was a typo. It seems to come out that way.

I don't see any continuity in your posts. I am lost. I will stop here.

Thank you for reminding me being the lack of understanding of the Chinese language! However, I was concerned about the logic more than anything else.

How in the world have you come up with this definition? Based on your definition, the line should read as follows: 2. A moral that can be moraled is not an eternal moral.

Yes, 邪不勝正.

So far, I've mastered the vital breathing. You think that I can counteract the fatal one?

Where did you get that idea? How did you come up with the logic like that? Yeah, one is talking about apples and the other is talking about oranges. Right on!

That may be hard to breathe the same air in one room.

What adding postnatal or prenatal energy are you talking about? I don't think you have the TCM definition down pad yet. Please try not to be an energymaniac.

I see that you have heard some wild Taoist tales.

Yes, it was understood that we do not breathe with the abdomen. The reason it was called abdominal breathing is that when we breathe in deeply, the abdomen is fully expanded. For those who didn't know, like the ancient Taoists, they saw the movement of the abdomen and thought it was doing all the breathing. The esoteric term was also called the Qigong breathing, LDT breathing, dantian breathing, and other various names.

Please keep in mind that I am a retired engineer. For that said, I must deal with logic and facts to support any rationale. I understand the mechanics of the respiratory system. However, I am having a problem understanding the difference between the external and internal breath. I don't see that we could say it in a similar way as external and internal in bleeding. You have a good explanation of the body mechanics with modern science. Something that the ancient Taoists did not have the luxury like we do. However, I have taken this luxury to go further in explaining it biologically using the cell respiration theory. That is where the oxygen and ATP energy come into the picture. The description in the above quote is actually known as abdominal breathing. Indeed, the internal breath is important. It goes into the biological aspect of cell respiration.

Did your teacher tell you why or what the dangerous part is if misapplied?

Okay! This part is very vague and illogical to me. I'd already explained my version using the three treasures. I had seen the same explanation online as the same as my version. As a matter of fact, that was where I had learnt it from.

Yes, I agree, that is the commonality of both methods.

As long as I see you mention breathing, I will accept that because it fits the modern native definition of Qigong! All the rest is immaterial.

I do agree that the purpose of both methods is different. I have no problem with your idea about Qigong. However, I need you to clarify what you mean by "Neidan has the goal of making the dan and from that immortality."

According to the modern interpretation of the esoteric term 真息, it is beyond normal breathing. It sounds like a myth. The interpretation was "不呼不吸的‘’ and the translation is "no exhalation and no inhalation." I had read a few times of this saying in the Taoist breathing method text.

How do you cultivate 命？What is 命 to you?

Thank you very much for your outline. The reason I started this thread is to hear what people know and how they practice neidan. Instead, I did not get any good response like the way you gave. I appreciate your kindness in listening to my thoughts with an open heart. The appreciative response from you with an open mind is admirable. From my bicultural background, I have a better chance to see and hear both sides of the story. I can see that it is much easier for me to hear your story. However, it is not so easy for others to hear mine. It was due to the different exposure of our experiences. It is just a matter of respect for the time you spent on the subject. I will just say a few words in return. Thanks again!

You didn't mean that, I hope! 你不是在开玩笑吧？

（《道德经》）的第八章。 描述是： “上善若水。水善利万物而不争，处众人之所恶，故几于道。”

No offense. Any thing I had read relating to breathing was always used the term LDT. If a school doesn't use the term at all, I would question what are they teaching to the students.