ChiDragon
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So, the way is going right how, are we still going to have a Nei Gong Forum or not....???
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I think that I had made myself very clear in the previous post. The majority is the "general public".
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"Inaccurate statement" is only relative. Have you been noticed that I have not use these words against you to have some lead room and leave it open. I know in the past, according to you, the only thing you have against me is that all my readings are inaccurate. In addition that I don't have any practical experience. The most of all, I have no complete knowledge about any of the Wu Gong stuff. We all have frustrations but no patience. Don't you think that others might have the same frustration without displaying it. Something if I don't agree I just ignore it but why all the frustration. Besides, how would you know that somebody might be laugh at you and said how little does this guy knows?
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Thanks! I like your modesty too. May I say that "breath is one way of working with energy" and is more effective than "breath is no way of working with energy"...???
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I see you all got the ηε³ from your sifu(εΈ«ε ).
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I believe that is the ancient notion for the general public. The majority always have the upper hand but the minority ends up with the hidden demystified understanding.
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You didn't bother. You had said it all. Thank you very much! PS.... Let's leave it at that with no hard feelings....!!!
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Anyone of you have any refine details beside scratching your heads. Please give some fine details how have you been practicing and what are your results..!? Let me hear your side of the story besides just your objection and say "no". PS.... In your own words, please! So, I know what you are talking about other than some else's words.
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The Yi Jing Begins with the Eight Symbols of the Ba Gua
ChiDragon replied to ChiDragon's topic in Yijing
So far, we have established the position of Heaven and Earth. These two sources do not move to the naked eyes. However, there are two do move in front of the naked eyes. They are the Sun and the Moon. The ancients used the Sun to determine the day and the moon for the lunar month. The Fire symbol represents the Sun which rises from the east every morning. Thus the symbol is placed at the left side of the Ba Gua. The Water symbol represents the Moon which rises in the west at the beginning of each Lunar Month. Thus the symbol is placed at the right of the Ba Gua. The Heaven, Earth, Sun, and Moon are the four sources which were used to establish the configuration of the Universe. I think by having some knowledge of how the Ba Gua was drawn, it would make it very interesting to study the Yijing. -
Yes, by definition, Neigong is to build up the internal body strength. Indeed, that is what Hard Qigong does. Besides, all methods require breathing and muscle tension in order to generate the internal strength. Neigong is to enhance one's ability to generate the internal body energy by the emphasis on deep breathing and muscle tension. The execution of the Neigoong of the practitioner depends on the amount of Chi Kug(UMB) practice and one's tuition. One should be able to focus on every muscle in the body in order to perform Neigong effectively. Focus means the ability to feel and control every muscle in the body. You might be interested in this: Ref: http://thetaobums.com/topic/34049-zazen-dazuo-and-meditation/
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A major difference between Chi Kung and Neigong for easy understanding. Chi Kung breathes with the muscles relaxed. Neigong breathes with the muscles not relaxed.
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To learn Chi Kung, first, you need to ask yourself this silly question. Can I do abdominal breathing....??? If not, then, find out how to get there or just do it by practice. As soon you can do it, you have reached the first milestone.
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This is very vague statement to begin with. It is confuse as hell. It can fool the Western public but not the natives. There was no such thing as an internal system of Chi Kung. Chi Kung is stand alone without any subsystem under it. "employing slow, deep breathing and requiring a relaxed physical stance and mental attitude" is Chi Kung rather than Neigong. If people accept this as gospel, then they had started with the wrong foot. Neigong is a complete different system. Neigong is related to Chi Kung because of the breathing requirement. Neigong is requiring more physical stress on the muscles, after Chi Kung has been accomplished, to produce the immense body strength.
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If you were told what Neigong is, will you able to recognize it or understand it or accept it as you were told without continuing on a wild goose chase....??? I don't think you know what you are after because you're just don't know even you were told what it is. Period.
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If you don't know what Neigong is by now, do you think another forum would help.....???
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Try to find something to focus on like the dan tian. That will put the money mind at ease. Please don't forget to do the UMB(the Ultimate Method of Breathing).
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Argument was due to the big difference in conflict with the comprehension of the TTC. Therefore, no one should be dare to rewrite the TTC or add misleading information to it.
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These three terms are in three different languages. Theoretically, these three terms are suppose to have the same basic meaning. However, due the difference in each linguistic interpretation, the basic meaning of the terms have been altered and diverged quite drastically. Was there really a language problem or something got lost in the translation or misinformed from one or the other in the first place.....??? Anyone wants to give it a shot....???
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Inspire the mind The mind got a mind of its own. In Neigoong, while performing the UMB(the ultimate method of breathing) and the slow movements; all the focus was on the dan tain and the movements of the muscles. Subliminally, the mind was already inspired and cultivated by focusing on all the internal activities. The fast reflexes of the movements was done by the focus on every muscle. The first focus is to sink Chi to the dan tian, then focus on the next moves of arms and legs. The mind will direct which muscle to be moved to where and how. If one want to do a punch, then the focus is on the hand to make a fist and how the punch was performed. Here is the sequence of events. While taken a deep breath and sink chi to the dan tian, hold a fist and start moving it toward the hitting target by the arms. The arms are relaxing at the beginning, then progressively increasing the internal force as they are moving forward. By the time the fist hits its target, the full power was already applied to the fist. Neigong gives one the ability to exert the maximum body power at any circumstance. It was designed and done by the mind focusing on the breathing and body control. Hence, the focus of the mind gives the accuracy of the breathing rhythm in sync with the body movements. The integration of these three criteria are required for the body to react, at its maximum efficiency, in any unexpected adversity.
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What can be done to stop Buddhist Discussion turning to flame
ChiDragon replied to thelerner's topic in Buddhist Discussion
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I am not a Buddhist but it just happens to be that I had brought up and understand some of the Buddhist philosophies. I know I can say this. Everybody has a will. As a Buddhist thinking, his will is not to live for himself but selfless(the not I am) and only concern for other. I believe that the "not I am" was referred as being "selfless".
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That is not my assumption. If you really understand the classic text of the TTC, I bet you will not find a phrase that supports your claim. Do you have a good reason why shamanism doesn't violate wu wei at all....??? What is your definition of Wu Wei as compared to the definition in the TTC...???
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The Yi Jing Begins with the Eight Symbols of the Ba Gua
ChiDragon replied to ChiDragon's topic in Yijing
The three broken line trigram is the symbol of Earth, the most Yin or the yinest of the eight trigrams. Therefore, it goes to the most yin position which is the bottom of the Ba Gua(ε «ε¦). The bottom position is the most yin is because of the following: 1. It is the lowest point below one's feet which where Earth belongs. 2. It is in the north direction. 3. It is the darkest and coldest position in the night which made it the yinest position. 4. It is the winter position. -
The mentioning of shamanism is the violation of the concept of Wu Wei. The TTC is an atheist document because Lao Zi is an atheist and a naturalist. Shamanism must be considered an outside influence of the TTC.
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Now, we got the part on "regulating the breathing" out of the way. It is time to enhance the body. As soon Chi can be sunken to the dan tain, ζ°£ζ²δΈΉη°, then it is ready to begin with the Neigong practice. That is when the body moves slowly and in synchronize with the breathing. Start inhalation when the hands are raising slowly. When the hands are at the peak point, the Chi(breath) should be sunken to the LDT. When the hands are starting to lower, exhalation should be start taken place. Continuing with this moving and breathing process, the body muscles and joints will learn to adjust and get use to the applied stress slowly. Through the diligent practice, the muscles will become firm and flexible with the increase in strength. Thus the body strength was developed by the biophysical loops, inside the body. It is because the bio-loop was induced by the combination of the movements and breathing. The bio-loop was being taken place in the body without the realization of the practitioner. The practitioner only felt that the body strength had been increased tremendously. For that being said, we can distinguish the difference between Chi Kung(ζ°£ε) and Neigong(ε §ε). The breathing part is the Chi Kung. The body movements in conjunction with Chi Kung is Neigong. Hence, Chi Kung is the prerequisite for Neigong(inner strength). Tai Ji Quan has the combination of Chi Kung and Neigong. That is why Tai Ji is so effective which may kill two birds with one stone. Practicing the Tai Ji movements, the practitioner is learning to breathe and building the muscle tone at the same time. After a prolong practice, a practitioner has built up lot of jin(ε). To issue the Jin, it becomes very natural to breathe and moves the arms and legs spontaneously and swiftly. One who can tell if a person has been practicing Tai Ji or not is by observing the swift moves and feeling the strength with a hand shake.
