ChiDragon

I have been hearing that lot of newcomers that they have practicing or practiced Neidan. It just dawned on me with curiosity. How people do their practice or what they think that is? I would to hear their comments before I introduce the original Taoist method of Neidan. I mean in the Chinese version with the help of AI. I have been using Gemini AI which gives me a very good explanation in the Chinese language. However, one may tell it in any way just for the purpose of comparison only. Thanks!

No problem. You may ask me anything. I will not be upset. Thank you for the question. Yes, learning a method is important to know where the original concept came from. It is safe for me the say that all Qigong, Neigong, Neidan and Taiji are came from the same concept originated from TCM. TCM Started with the concept of 炁(气), chi. It is a matter, not energy. When the radical 米 added to 气 become 氣. Somehow, 氣 was used to describe lots of concepts. Such as prenatal chi, postnatal chi. This begin with the human body. Then go into the organs. Let's begin with the preservation of the body. The mainly concern of Taoist is longevity. They had came up with the idea of making external pill to preserve life known as external alchemy, 外丹. Somehow they failed. After that, that is when Neidan, 內丹 comes into play. This involves with the three treasures, 精氣神. The Taoist thought preserving these three treasures was by the cultivation with Neidan. The idea of Neidan is by using the postnatal chi to nourishing the prenatal chi by LDT breathing. This is where the original concept came from. I have enough said on the subject on the forum. I don't think I should repeat myself here. By knowing this concept, if I read about any method, they all referred to this concept. However, the description of the methods may be different, but they cannot stay away from the concept, the concept of LDT breathing. If you don't know or don't believe in the concept, then no matter what you read, who you learned from, or what you practice, it may or may not get the full result as intended. Before I practice Taiji I didn't realize how important the breathing was. I had only accomplished half way. When I become familiar the concept of TCM and the LDT breathing method, I have acquired the full benefit of Taiji. The concept of LDT breathing is all over the internet. The Neidan is loud and clear calling out the LDT breading method. The most current definition of Neidan breathing is the reverse LDT breathing. I have took mental note of that. In addition, I always update myself with new valuable information as they come along. BTW This is always the cultivation of 性 and 命. Ofc that is another story.

Ever since the original Neidan concept exited, why should it be gone? It is always there. The concept do not change, only the misinterpretation change it.

I don't understand the way of the terminology that you are using. What is your definition of ming? Yang? Single yang?

It seems you have your logic reversed. It is the other way around. The yuan qi(元氣) is passive. The postnatal is active. The yuan qi will die without the support of postnatal qi. Let me make it clearer. Yuen qi is the source of the body structure. It needs postnatal qi, such as food and oxygen.

Yes, postnatal Qi feeds the prenatal QI. The purpose of Neidan is to use the postnatal Qi to vitalize the prenatal Qi. Since you are asking logical questions, I am glad to discuss this with you!

Well, that too!

Is that a surprise to me? I don't know what your standard is. I didn't have my pleasure hearing it from you. My friend?

Of course not, I have said enough in the other thread already. Nothing would be new to me anymore.

Haha, no problem. Nothing new to me. I am used to that. It seems doesn't matter what someone says with some thing to them. There is always a contradiction. No one knows who is right or not. It seems to me that the first thing that comes first is always right. Sadly, there is no room for update and correction. I don't know if I am lucky to hear members tell me "no", that was not it. But never present verbal contents to amuse me. Do you think members have some of the things they said to me I could swallow? I might do the same as the rest of us. Either they more than I do or vice versa. I wouldn't brag about it or be sarcastic about it with verbal insults. Peace.

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Who decide and determine who is genuine? Who wants to be the first one to be kicked out?

Luckily, after all these years, the fatal breathing has not been caught up with me yet. Besides, I don't want to live that long anyway. That's all I did was just breathe.

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Yes, basically, that is what it is. Neigong is like standing at a Zhan Zhuang position with breathing. Qigong may be practiced by sitting or laying down with breathing. Another way for Qigong is practiced with physical movement and breathing. The good examples for Qigong are Taiji, Xing Yi, Bagua and etc. However, the only requirement is to practice slow to moderate speed. The goal is to reach the realm of abdominal or LDT breathing. Hereinafter, the LTD breathing should become the normal breathing habit at all times, besides during the practice. The constant of the abdominal breathing is like given one to practice Qigong all the time. Hence, it is not limited to be practiced at one time nor one place but all the time. Do you know how effective that could be making your body health and strong. That the power of practicing Qigong and Neigon. Now let's look at the method of Neidan. It was practiced by sitting at zazen position with LDT breathing. It has the same purpose of reaching the goal as in Qigong, Neigong. Finally, we have the Neigong practice is by standing, Neidan is by sitting and Qigong is by moving. Now I think I have a better understanding of each method. Before, I wasn't as clear as today. I am glad that I have initiated the OP.

Chapter 1 The introduction of Tao 1. 道可道，非常道。 2. 名可名，非常名。 3. 無，名天地之始。 4. 有，名萬物之母。 5. 故常無，欲以觀其妙。 6. 常有，欲以觀其徼。 7. 此兩者同出而異名， 8. 同謂之玄。玄之又玄， 9. 眾妙之門。 Revised as of 2-27-12 / 9-28-23 1. Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao. 2. A name that can be named is not an eternal name. 3. Invisible, was a name given to Tao at the origin of sky and earth. 4. Visible, was a name given to Tao as the mother of all things. 5. Hence, when Tao is always invisible, one would grok its quale. 6. When Tao is always visible, one would observe its boundary. 7. These two come from one origin but differ in name, 8. Both are regarded as unfathomable, the most occult and profound; 9. The gate of all changes.

You have misdefined "name" as 'moral" to put in the sentence makes no logical sense.

刑不勝正 Haha, that was a typo. It seems to come out that way.

I don't see any continuity in your posts. I am lost. I will stop here.

Thank you for reminding me being the lack of understanding of the Chinese language! However, I was concerned about the logic more than anything else.

How in the world have you come up with this definition? Based on your definition, the line should read as follows: 2. A moral that can be moraled is not an eternal moral.

Yes, 邪不勝正.

So far, I've mastered the vital breathing. You think that I can counteract the fatal one?

Where did you get that idea? How did you come up with the logic like that? Yeah, one is talking about apples and the other is talking about oranges. Right on!

That may be hard to breathe the same air in one room.