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7 hours ago, Antares said:I personally caught it in a lie a few times when this GPT made up texts which in fact dont even exist. Also it gives incorrect explanations of texts and it does not matter how it happens.
Yes, I know what you meant. If you ask the question in English, AI will only gather whatever is available out there with some funny stuffs. It was due to some of the misunderstanding of the translater with some mistranslations. Hence, I Will never ask anything pertaining to Qigong or martial arts in English. It would be more accurate if the native language was used regarding to this matter.
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22 minutes ago, zerostao said:My take away; never admit being older than 75

It's ok for an elderly person to live longer as long as a healthy body was maintained. If I have to suffer from an illness, then, might as well drop dead. That is why I practice Taiji to stay healthy. I feel like I am having a 25 year old body. Even though, I have reached the age of 77.
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2 hours ago, zerostao said:however long or short your lifespan is, do you want to be angry during it?
Yes, I would be angry if I live to 100.😄
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3 hours ago, cake1234566 said:Fabrizio Pregadio's translations are a pretty good place to start understanding neidan, he's one of the only authors i've come across that understands the coded language (albeit partially)
There are some misunderstandings above like yuan jing isn't cells, it wouldn't even necessarily have a physical counterpart like its post-heaven version but I think its better to direct to the proper resources than discuss everything here at lengthI think you are bias. Any translation to another language are very questionable. Anyway, the purpose of the OP is not who is right or wrong. It is about what are the similarities.
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一、 陽神功的修煉目的
陽神功的目標是將通過「煉精化氣」和「煉氣化神」所凝結成的金丹(聖胎),進一步溫養、提煉,使其完全轉化為純陽無陰的元神,並使其能夠自由出入於肉體,最終合道。
脫胎換體: 將凡胎肉體煉成純陽之體,使元神堅固、圓滿。
出神入化: 元神(陽神)能夠脫離肉體遊行,且**「聚則成形,散則成氣」**,變化無窮,達到神通廣大、超越生死的境界。
煉虛合道: 最終將陽神與宇宙大道(虛空)融合,達到**「天人合一」,「壽齊天地」**的永恆存在。What you have mentioned is last step of Neidan.
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5 hours ago, Antares said:No, AI is telling lie to you. Preserving jing is Yangshengong goal but not Neidan.
How do you practice this 陽神功。Please describe. Thanks!
AI only collects information but do not make up stories to lie to you.
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25 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:Neidan is a form of Qigong. The practice involves three basic steps.
1. 練精化气: transform jing into chi
2. 練气化神 transform chi into shen
3. 練神化虚: transform shen into void
The first step of Neidan seems it can be only controlled externally by LDT breathing. The 2nd and 3rd step are virtually done internally. They automatically take care themselves is because it is the normal function of the human body. Other words, by performing the Neidan methed shall accomplish the goal of all three steps.
The Neidan method shall be defined next.
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The Taoist wanted to preserve life for longevity. So, they came up with the idea of Neidan. Neidan is a form of Qigong. The practice involves three basic steps.
1. 練精化气: transform jing into chi
2. 練气化神 transform chi into shen
3. 練神化虚: transform shen into void
First of all, what is jing. Jing(元精) is the vital essence that comprised the human body. In modern science, Yuan Jing(元精) may be considered as the body cell. The purpose of Neidan is the preserve the vital essence(cells). It's because the body cells deteriorate and vanish very quickly. Hence, we must preserve it.
The vital essence produces the vital energy to keep the body functional active. The vital energy was known as the prenatal Chi or Yuen Chi(元气). In order to regenerate and maintain the prenatal vital active energy, practicing Neidan will help us to achieve that goal.
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2. 「煉氣」的要義(煉氣化神):
目的: 將煉精所得的元氣(真氣)進一步聚攏、薰蒸、溫養,並提煉成更細微、更光明的元神能量。Please bear with me, I have to do lots of work for clarification. Even to myself.
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後天之氣:
定義: 呼吸之氣(清氣)和水穀之氣(谷氣)的混合,日常所說的「力氣」多屬此類。
特性: 維持日常生理活動,但相對粗糙。 -
1. 氣的分類與位置:
先天之氣(元氣):
定義: 由先天之精轉化而來,是推動生命機能運作的根本動力。它彌漫全身,是維持生命活動的總能量。
特性: 這是內丹術在**「煉精化氣」**階段所採集和聚合的寶貴能量 -
「煉精」的要義(煉精化氣):
目的: 內丹術的核心之一,就是阻止後天之精的洩漏和消耗,並通過特殊的功法(如調息、採藥)將其逆轉、提煉,重新轉化為純淨的元氣,以補足生命之本。
地點: 主要在下丹田(臍下三寸,氣海穴附近)。
結果: 「精滿不思淫」,生命力得到鞏固,為下一步的煉氣打下堅實的「築基」基礎。煉精化氣:築基固本工程
「煉精化氣」是內丹術三步功法中的第一步,其核心目的在於將人體的**「精」(生命物質基礎)提煉轉化為「氣」(生命活動動力),從而築基固本**,恢復和鞏固生命原有的活力。一、 階段目標與意義
1. 補足虧損,恢復元氣
常人隨著年齡增長和慾望消耗,體內的先天之精(元精)不斷損耗。此階段的目標就是通過煉化後天之精(水穀精微、生殖之精)和其他精微物質,使其逆轉而生,補足先天的虧損。這如同給枯竭的油燈重新添油。 -
内丹术修炼概述
内丹术是中国道教的核心修炼方法之一,其目标是通过特殊的炼养方法,在人体内部**(内)炼成一个超越凡俗的丹体或丹药,以实现长生久视**(长寿和健康)乃至羽化登仙。
内丹修炼遵循“炼精化气、炼气化神、炼神还虚”这三个基本过程,简称“三步功法”。AI have gathered and compiled the Chinese explanation of Neidan with crystal clear beyond any doubt. It is the best intellectual master piece I have ever encountered. There will be more coming. I will do my best to translate them.
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I have been hearing that lot of newcomers that they have practicing or practiced Neidan. It just dawned on me with curiosity. How people do their practice or what they think that is? I would to hear their comments before I introduce the original Taoist method of Neidan. I mean in the Chinese version with the help of AI. I have been using Gemini AI which gives me a very good explanation in the Chinese language. However, one may tell it in any way just for the purpose of comparison only. Thanks!
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1 hour ago, MadePossible said:Is this true? Chapters 70-81 were composed by Wang Bi?
Why haven't I heard of that before? That's shocking.
No, I don't think that is true. Wang Bi doesn't has the wisdom as Laotze.
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2 hours ago, zerostao said:Got Qigong
Yes, moments performing with slow motion while breathing deep into the LDT. That is Qigong. One might call it something else, but it was still Qigong. Whether you like it or not. All will benefit from it into the journey of longevity. Thanks!
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1 hour ago, Nungali said:Oh no ... there is a wave of it just starting about to rise in intensity . Several people around me are talking incomprehensible rubbish , more than usual, the last few days ... and now its spreading to all types of normally 'clear' people .
Oh, I wish this OP was not initiated.
It is just a waste of time talking about it.
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5 minutes ago, PestiferMundi said:Imagine finding out that you've dedicated a good chunk of your life to something "fake".
I hope I'll never find that out. 🤣
I wish you luck with success in your endless discovery. 🙏
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11 minutes ago, steve said:Not sure if it's comparable to this but I practice a method called turtle-crane breathing.
My teacher told us it was a longevity practice.
Yes, breathing is Qigong and it is what longevity is all about. People should get wise about it by now!
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On 12/4/2025 at 1:38 AM, zerostao said:posted a thread about this video in Healthy Bums.
I want it posted here as well
How many times have I mentioned about mitochondria when I talked about Qigong? Now someone like @zerostao is really paid a lot attention to it.
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On 11/30/2025 at 2:30 PM, PestiferMundi said:1.1. Name of the qigong training method that allowed you to feel qi energy for the first time (really important that it's the first time, as doing something comes a lot easier once you've experienced it once, and practicing other things after that first time may have only been effective because of that first time)?
I was really hesitated to answer your questions. It is because there is no such thing as qi energy that someone can feel it. Not the first time nor the last. If someone told one did, one didn't feel it. If you want to feel the energy in you, that is after your diligent practice of any Qigong method if done properly. You will feel that your body energy has been increased tremendously. That is the real energy that you are really after.
22 hours ago, PestiferMundi said:If you are unable (or unwilling) to answer the questions in my topic post, then there is nothing you can help me with.
I respect your effort of what you are trying to do here. However, please don't try to catch the shadow of the wind here. Peace!-
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11 hours ago, YangTso said:我经营一家小店,为西方求道者提供直接从藏族工匠和寺院采购的正宗念珠、祈祷用具和灵性物品。
对不起,这个纲不是一个商业买实的地方!
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On 11/30/2025 at 2:30 PM, PestiferMundi said:1.2. If it wasn't exactly qigong (Chinese origin).....
You want to Chinese origin.... I give it to you.

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I have doubt in that as a Taoist practitioner. Thanks!