ChiDragon

Thanks for the Post ChiDragon

 

I think you left off talking about MCO-2 !

 

There is some good info in this thread, but I would say to find heart before the heat, they are both in the chest.

 

I am wondering if it is a coincidence the the eye of horus is = 63/64

 

You welcome...!!! Informer.

MCO-1 was a lot simpler and easier to be discussed. I still have some unfinished business about MCO-1 but I was interrupted and I have an impression somebody already made up his mind that my understanding was invalid. So, I do not know that I should go further with it.

I didn't leave out the MCO-2, I was just have not gone into it yet. It is more complicated than MCO-2. To be honest with you, I still have to do some investigation on it. So far, I know that MCO-2 involves with all the meridians in the body.

I'm sorry, I have no idea about the eye of horus is = 63/64 or what it was.

Steve...

I thank you too. I'm not saying all these things here for nothing. Yes, an open mind is very important. Just keep in mind to consider that are other possible things out there to be evaluated. Of course, use your own intuition and judgment. Good luck to you and your practice too.

How does the Tao stay in balance?

 

Is it a static fixed position?

or does it move, varying between one and the other, achieving balance through movement.

Static balance is full of potential energy and ready to be released. In Tai Ji philosophy, when one is standing still, it was like a mountain standing firmly. It was considered to be conserving energy ready to be released. When one moves, one moves as swift as the waves of the ocean.

A motto for Tai Ji practitioners:

靜如山，動如海

Still like a mountain, move like an ocean.

Steve..

Thank you. What you are telling me was the opposite in my native literature. Somehow, there was something got lost in the translation before it reached the west or somebody was miss guided. IMO self study is more open instead of just listen to an one side story. One can compare notes from one another, Otherwise, by listening to someone to repeat only what they had learned with no room for corrections. Like someone says here: "If you want to get to where the practice is leaing, it will require you to drop all logic.".

So, I am very sorry to hear that someone learned all the Chi Kung or Nei Kung for the masters and still think breathing has nothing to do with it. I think the west still got a long way to go before learning the real stuff. JMO

Why?

 

You said you have practice Qigong for 30 years... but you have never heard such things as this??? Oh, I forget... Qi is chaotic; MCO is a mystery; Shen is ignored...

 

I hope you can understand what is going on here.... or are you the last to know?

Hey, you have a tendency to go along with anything and it doesn't have to be logical neither.

a TCM doc told me his MCO practice: breathe in DOWN THE FRONT, into the dan-tien from the nose down to the dan-tien. Then breathe out pushing the qi from the dan-tien to the perineum, going up the coccyx and up the back, into the third eye. Etc.

 

Basically breathing in down the front and breathing out up the back. Which is opposite of what most people will tell you.

 

What I can tell you though about this method is in MY case it works better for me. I feel calm after doing it, almost feeling like I've hit a reset button.

 

 

AS for macrocosmic orbit.. I'm not sure what it is but I think I remember a TCM qigong professor telling the class that it's just like the Microcosmic orbit except it includes all 8 extraordinary vessels, or the 12 meridians. Not sure. No details were given.

 

I think he implied that it can actually be practiced spontaneously and naturally by those proficient in the MCO and qigong practices. Maybe it's just pore breathing, or breathing in from the bottom of the feet, up to the top of the head and then back down the front out the bottom of the feet?

Non and -K-...

Thank you both...!!! This is the kind of response I was expecting. It was relevant to the subject that was being discussed of this thread. I wish more people are participated in such manner.

These two points are within my guideline.

1. Basically breathing in down the front and breathing out up the back.

2. AS for macrocosmic orbit.. I'm not sure what it is but I think I remember a TCM qigong professor telling the class that it's just like the Microcosmic orbit except it includes all 8 extraordinary vessels, or the 12 meridians.

ChiDragon, conversations ebb and flow, and with "many topics" veritably and inextricably intertwined, its tough to confine oneself to a particular subsection of a given topic. I see no reason to avoid talking because some confusion exists; imho that is the opposite of appropriate action - why leave the confusion be when a light can be shined on it, particulars clarified? Often our own ideas and positions become clarified, even just by the iteration!

This was really threw me off. I had never seen anything like it.

Refer to deadman's manual - note an internal branch of CV arises in the pelvic cavity and ascends along the spine, aside from the external line of CV most of us are familiar with. Also, the second branch of the GV originates in the lower abdomen, winds aroudn the ext genitalia, ascends to the umbilicus, passes through the heart...

Here are the diagrams for the CV and GV meridians. I don't see anything as the way you have described.

Ref link: CV & GV Meridians

Actually, may I ask a question?

Do you study with a teacher or from books?

I learned from all reading materials and personal life experience. I had talked to some Chinese Chi Kung masters. They were repeating nothing was any different than some of the reading materials. It was better to find something on the internet that makes a little more sense. FYI I had been researching on the internal to find some commonalities in the wordings on different sites; and come to a simplest logical conclusion.

Dawie....

You seem to acquired lots of knowledge. I do respect you for that, but somehow it seem to me that you are having problem to isolate them from one another. I know you were introduces a lot of TCM information. You are putting everything that you have learned and mixing them all together. IMO You are applying too much theory into your argument. Hence, I really don't have enough patience and time to sort out the irrelevant portion each time. Besides, you are putting too much personal feeling into your post. I'm sorry, it was not something that I would like to cope with in this respect.

A. I wonder ChiDragon, what is your answer to become Multi Orgasmic Man (without ejaculation) and to maintain that status without much effort? I've seen many repilies, that Mantak Chia book works, here you made it look worse, and also needing the initial practices.

 

B. Simply closing the muscles won't do the thing, it needs seperation. Plus Mantak Chia tells us that after alot of practice, it becomes so easy that a simple thought does the thing.

 

C. I keep my point of view and i hope the Mantak Chia Formula 1 books will help me to locate and control this energy. I want to be great lover, and i hate the feelings of ejaculation (during and after, like fatique but not the orgasm of course :>)

 

Since my primary goal is to be master at Multi Orgasmic Man techniques anything that does it work will do. But if i am to face the truth that it is impossible, or it is much harder and not so good as i thought, i just prefer to stay in my lie and keep training. (I kinda can't draw the energy to my perineum, while some time ago i was feeling it more clearly and up in my brain)

 

Loking forward to further discussion

A. My justification for the system works for some but not the others was because of the following physical conditions.

1. Some people are born with a healthy body with physical fitness.

2. Some people are only semi-healthy.

3. Some people are born weak.

Condition 1:

At first, these people do not need to do any practice to become more healthier for the sexual experience. However, if they are performing the non-ejaculating sexual practice but ended up with multi orgasm with ejaculation, then their bodies will become weaken by the continuous practice. At the end, they still need to practice the MCO-1 to bring them back to their bodies to the initial healthy condition.

Condition 2:

These people are needed to do the initial MCO-1 practice to bring their bodies to the top health level as in condition 1.

Condition 3:

These people are definitely needed to do the MCO-1 initial practice to bring their bodies to the top health level as in condition 1.

B. Mantak Chia tells us that after alot of practice, it becomes so easy that a simple thought does the thing. Simply closing the muscles will do the thing spontaneously; it needs no separation. It will be done internally. Indeed, if it was done with a little external help, like tightened the body muscles, it will enhance your performance to a further extent.

C. Based on your description in the initial post, it seems to me that your health condition is falling in between the conditions 2 and 3.

IMO, one should do the MCO-1 practice regardless what health condition one was in. The diligent practice will keep up with the energy that the body demands, ever after ejaculation(one or two times) still have enough energy left to mow a lawn...

There are two methods of cosmic orbit. They are Microcosmic Orbit(MCO-1) and Macrocosmic Orbit(MCO-2). I had been study MCO-1 for sometime. At first, it was so hard to understand because of the terms used by the Taoists are so esoteric. It would be more difficult to comprehend if it was translated into another language. A Taoist or Taoists, hereinafter, will be referred and understood as a Taoist(s) in the Taoist religion.

The understanding of MCO-1, finally, had come to my senses. Perhaps, one might not have been explained this way by someone else.

The Taoist always have the own thoughts and putted in their own language that not anybody can understand. Here is the way I understood MCO-1 as of now. The following explanation, hopefully, will clear some of the mists in the air.

The MCO-1 was a system developed from the perceptive point of view of a Taoist. From the acupuncture chart in the TCM, there is a Concept Vessel(CV) and Governor Vessel(GV). Please note that Dan Tian is Taoist term but not a TCM term. Dan Tian was designated, by Taoists, as a location of the lower part of the torso below the navel.

The Taoists thought people are not so healthy because there was a channel between the CV and GV were closed. In order to prolong life, the channel must be opened. Since the CV and GV vessels are commonly going through the lower Dan Tian, the Taoist thought that if they breathe Chi into the Dan Tian which will open the channel for the both vessels. The Chi was going downward deep into the Dan Tian and go toward the back of the Torso. Hence, the direction of the orbit was said to be going from the Dan Tian to the GV around the head toward the front. Then through the the CV down and return to the Dan Tian. One complete revolution of the Chi in and out of the Dan Tian was considered to be one orbit cycle.

The more number of orbits that goes around the torso, the person will be healthier. The driven factor of the orbit was determined by how many times that Chi was cycling through the Dan Tian.

Breathing Chi deep into the Dan Tian was considered to be "abdominal breathing". Thus, the more times the Chi was breathed into the Dan Tian, the healthier the person will be. If one who thinks meditation without performing the abdominal breathing(NAB), one was not activating the MCO-1.

Note:

This concept will be referred as basis to answer all questions regrading the MCO-1 in the future.

Please comment....!!!

Please give me a little time. I am working on the MCO-1 now.

My answer to the original question.

Man ≠ Yang

Female human being ≠ Yin

I'll have to take it that you knew nothing about the Yin and the Yang. Period.

No offense, the issue was being addressed but not you.

Just answer the original question. OK....???

 

@Lux Ferre

I think you're wrong. Orgasm is that short period of extasy, the Multi-Orgasmic Man technique is to achieve this short period of extasy in prolonged and Non-Ejaculatory version. This is how i see it, being aroused isn't having an orgasm - it's just being aroused. When i stopped the ejaculation, i also stopped the orgasm, which means i haven't successfully seperated them and moved the Ching Chi up to my brain.

 

And still awaiting answers for my questions.

I recall Shakespeare says: "Alcohol will provoke the desire but takes away the performance."

The purpose not to be ejaculated was to do the oppose. It was to provoke desire and to prolong the performance. The longer one can retain the sperms for a longer period will maintain the highest desire to perform. Tighten the muscles like "anal lock" will help to achieve the highest climax of sexual performance. Chi Kung is a practice that can help the body to do internal contraction of all the muscles.

In regarding to a Ching Chi, it was just an esoteric term used by the Taoists. IMO Was it really something that ever existed which will move up to the brain is questionable...??

Exactly - that is why there can be balance in a homosexual relationship. We are all capable of Yin and Yang aspects.

A successful relationship (regardless of gender) balances these aspects.

True that same gender couples cannot reproduce (other than with laboratory intervention) but there are plenty of mixed gender couples that can't reproduce or choose not to as well.

The fish eye means only the attribute for each of Yin or Yang. It simple means there are some female characteristics in the male; and there are some male characteristics in the female. By Nature, it is Yin and Yang based on the Tao Te Ching. By human behavior, it can be their own choice by not following the way of Nature.

By human behavior, it was due the size of the fish eye. If the Yin characteristics in the Yang are more dominant, then the Yang tends to behave like the Yin. If the Yang characteristics in the Yin are more dominant, then the Yin tends to behave like the Yang.

Nice share!!!

 

So are you saying that martial and spiritual Taijiquan are mutually exclusive?? That is, in your view, can you train both martial and spiritual Taijiquan simultaneously??

 

Why not...??? Are they not part of the package of Tai Ji Quan...???

Tai Ji Quan builds up one's physical strength and Yi(the human spirit). Do you have any doubt about that....???

@ChiDragon

1. I have absolutely no experience in any of thos internal arts.

 

2. I've only read the Mantak Chia book and a couple of articles that PC muscle, when contracted in right moment, can let you achieve multi orgasms.

And about the test,i feel air going deep in my belly, so i think it's right

1. I see you have not prepared yourself for the initial intent. I believe the prerequisite was to practice the MCO first, in order, to accomplish your initial intent. It takes quite some time before you can get to that stage. Your body should able to control your muscles internally via Chi Kung practice.

2. Since you have no Chi Kung experience, your physical body is not capable of doing what Matak Chia's Book and the articles was called for.

So you are saying that you, as a man, are 100% Yang. There is no Yin component to men and no Yang component to women.

Ref link: Yin-Yang Symbol

No, I am not 100% Yang. If one understand the Yin-Yang symbol, one will know that there are some Yin in the Yang and some Yang in the Yin by the indication of the black and white fish eyes.

In the given symbol, the black fish is Yin and the white one is Yang. The white eye in the black fish is indicating that there are some Yang in the Yin. The black eye in the white fish is, also, indicting that there are some Yin in the Yang.

Is there any situation or thing to which the Yin Yang does not apply to?

Here is the original question.

Here is the multiple choice answer:

1. Yin-Yin : Female-Female

2. Yang-Yang : Male-Male

3. Yin-Yang : Female-Male

Conditions 1 and 2 are my logical answer to the question. It was pure logic.

@ChiDragon : I put the right hand on my pituitary gland and left on the receptive center and breath in the energy into the receptive center then exhale and compress the energy + visualisation

 

I know because I can feel it.

hm....

The pituitary gland is inside the head. How can you put the right hand on it...???

OH!! sorry... that is mathematical calculation based on assumption.

Oh...

In that case, Please exclude the weekends and holidays in your calculation... :lol:

oh...Scotty

I think you have a long way to go yet.

Anyway, good luck to you.

First, you have to find out why people are doing that to you.

ChiDragon,

 

Where does the following information come from?

 

1. You have only been taught breathing and taiji.

 

2. Why are you discussing anything having to do with ejaculation and the Tao? You are spreading disinformation.

 

3. To be clear: suggesting that people should ejaculate at the very least one or two times per day is potentially too much for some. I have never heard a Taoist or a Chinese medicine doctor ever suggest this.

 

4. I've heard them suggest once every 3 days at most.

 

5. Then, there is the study which says testosterone levels spike 7 days after ejaculation.

 

6. And then there are Taoist alchemists, who tend to recommend once a week at the minimum, once a month at the maximum, or else complete celibacy.

1. If you understand how the Taoist define Microcosmic Orbit, then you will know what I meant.

2. You are right, the question was about ejaculation, it has nothing to do Tao. I was answering the former not the latter.

3. I was only referring to a strong healthy person or the practitioners in a state of high level of Chi Kung .

4. That was suggested for an ordinary person.

5. Yes, testosterone levels spike 7 days after ejaculation, but the sperms takes three days to reach maturity.

6. That is an open issue.