ChiDragon

I'd like to add a note about the muscle control that seems to come with MCO.

Prior, I'd never tried flexing any of the muscles around the sacral area. Now I can, and with some amount of precision. I think that this also speaks to something to be discovered about MCO. I've read people can develop Iron Shirt from it. But I figure you'd have to do it with attention pretty much all day to get that?

People can write anything, I would consider what they are saying with caution and an open mind. IMO Anything on paper is not law you know. One must consider who said it and what has been said. How much truth can one get out of it...???

PS...

I know I will get some backfire from my signature. Go ahead and fire away...

Even if the participants have the same gender there will Yin and Yang aspects to the relationship and the physical activity.

Such as....???

ok, i reckon that you are right about being in a conversation.(conversation being a 2 way thing where one listens to(and considers) the experience of those in that conversation) but if you were in a conversation on this thread, you would be conversing with folks who do run their mco. and ones who are sharing from their experience. and trying to share some insight to you so it would not be so much of a mystery to you.

Yes, people can talk about it all day long. However, I never heard what kind of result they have accomplished.

One must have a good foundation with the basic knowledge and held as a standard to compare and evaluate what others are saying. If everybody saying something differently and unsure about the same thing, something must had gone wrong.

I am sensing lots of people just repeating what they were told and read without digesting the material; and start a conversation like an expert(including me..???).

I always thought Chinese red was the best, followed by Korean, then American. Siberian is not really ginseng at all. Now I find that American is prized in the orient for it's yin nature.

 

Chinese red has the best flavor in my opinion.

 

Any thoughts?

Here are the ranks of ginseng.

1. Korean(the best)

2. Chinese

3. American

does it say which way it doesnt flow?

No, It doesn't say because it only flows one way. Actually, there are two meridians, the one in the center of the front of the body is called 任脈(Conception Vessel); and the one in the center of the back is called 督脈(Governor Vessel). The idea was try to have them connected or united together by doing the MCO procedure. I know the description of this procedure but I never really understand what they are saying. But listening to the people who practice it, it seems to me they didn't understand it neither. It was always a mystery to me.

what does your experience tell you?

1. you are in a conversation with folks that do run their mco.

2. do you ever use RB when you play your taiji quan?

1. No, I'm not in a conversation with folks that do run their MCO. I don't know that many people practice it. I just check in with the Chi Kung site in Hong Kong from time to time. Sometimes, if I have a question, I do a google search on the net.

2. In Tai Ji Quan, RB was never mentioned in the practice. As I mention this before, RB is not a Taoist breathing method. Tai Ji Quan was developed by a Taoist. The Shaolin monks and Kung Fu artists were using this method a lot to protect their internal organs.

As for myself, I'm not here to qualify my training or experience to you.

I'm so glad that you didn't and I thank you very much for that....

A. Tao was to be protected by the unkind.

B. Tao was to be kept by the unkind.

Dawei...

I guess I can't communicate with you. I guess I'm full of nonsense.

Is there any situation or thing to which the Yin Yang does not apply to?

The intimacy between two persons with the same sex....???

This is the Wang Bi... but he simply follows He Shang Gong word for word. The Fu Yi had one extra word here so Wang Bi is just following He Shang Gong and Fu Yi.

1. 道者萬物之奧。- hidden recess / profound

2. 善人之寶，- treasure

3. 不善人之所保。 - protect

保護: protect

保存: safe keep

Which translation is more logical for line 3...???

A. It was to be protected by the unkind.

B. It was to be kept by the unkind.

Does Tao need to be protected by anybody...???

No, "A" can be eliminated.

the MCO flows in both directions, which is correct? both, spontaneously.

According to my source, the MCO flows from the Dan Tian downward around the back; then upward around the head and return by going down in the front to Dan Tian again.

This is a misunderstanding. Reverse breathing increases energy and flow, which is natural. Stagnation and a gut that sticks out is unnatural. More energy and flow = more connection with nature.

 

Natural breathing or reverse breathing...both could be considered equally unnatural in the sense that you're speaking of, because both are deviations of the breathing process due to your consciously guiding it.

 

Reverse breathing is usually called Taoist breathing...natural breathing is sometimes called Buddhist breathing, because it lacks power and is more for calming.

Who and where did you learn all these from...??? I that case, I better have my people rewrite everything just for you....

I can do it sitting. Once again you're spreading lies here.

Your own body weight is against your ass in the sitting position. As I was saying, you can do it but not for long, maybe you can only do a half ass job....

It also helps to see when the RAB is used with the MCO in the 'fire path' direction, one is truly 'burning' the energy up the spine.

 

It seems to be contradicting to my native source because a Taoist would like to have the natural flow of Nature. To them, RAB is the opposite of the NAB which is against the course of Nature.

Nei Gong is more involved with RAB for the "anal lock" practice.

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Your signature says:

 

"ChiDragon speaks and do not know."

 

Remember it well.

How much do you think that you know....???

You know, I have REALLY NO INTEREST AT ALL in turning this thread into a "my taijiquan is better than yours" battle.

Firstly because there are enough of those stinky discussions here in TTB and I am really pissed off by them.

Secondly because I can't honestly see the point of comparing the styles in order to say which one is better: this question has no meaning for me.

Thirdly because taijiquan is like everything else, you practice the style you are in accord with: there is no such thing as one style for everyone.

Fourthly, I am not as educated as many here to give an explanation about what is so unique about Chen style: I had seen demonstrations of a number of styles before I saw Chen style and had begun Yang and when I saw Chen Xiaowang Laojia, it was love at first sight.

Yes, I know what you mean. I thought it was obvious to anybody about the Chen style. Anyway, the uniqueness about the Chen style was the practitioner had a little twist with the body after each hand movement. The little twist was like a duck wiggle its tail after a swim to let the hair dry. Watch it next time, it was very interesting. After all, I thought you are a fan of the Chen style because of this uniqueness.

Well...!!! I would like to be as objective as I can be.

Once the Taoists thought they want to be in good health for longevity and become a 真人(real person). A "real person" was an esoteric term for Taoists which means an immortal or getting close to be one.

I guess no immortal had ever been existed. However, general speaking IMO, one may be considered that a person who have been living more than one hundred years old may be considered as an immortal.

The difference between the normal abdominal breathing(NAB) and reverse abdominal breathing(RAB) are the nuance of the Taoist and Buddhist styles.

The RAB was very common for the Shaolin monks because they do lots of martial arts. If you had noticed when the Shaolin monks do the iron shirt, you will see they took a deep breath and tighten the abdomen muscles inward. That was the procedure to tighten the abdominal muscles to protect the internal organs, simultaneously, holding all the energy in all the muscles. For example, in weight lifting competitions, the performers always have a flat belt around the abdomen was for the same purpose in holding the energy so they can exert a maximum of body strength.

Silk reeling powah

 

The Chen's have the goods !

 

Edit: Ow i allready answered above question witouth even reading it, nice lol.

 

Chen is the root, all other taiji (yang, wu, sun, ..) comes directly or indirectly from Chenjiagou taijiquan

That was nothing new about that. I was asking for the uniqueness of the Chen style compared to others...??? It is very noticeable if one watch the Chen style practitioner. Please try again and give me another answer....

How about just to achieve pure awareness? The one that goes beyond mind and ego

First, I would think of what do I want to be accomplished when I do meditation. For myself, it was to achieve pure awareness. To a Taoist, the health of the body is the major concern. I've always consider to perform Taoist meditation which involves with Chi Kung is a must. The first thing I do is to find a natural place with an abundance of fresh air. Sit in a zazen position, close my eyes and breathe slowly having the breath go up and down from nostril to my Dan Tian.

I use my sense of smell feeling the air to detect any undesirable odor in the air. I use the sense of hearing to listen to the sounds around me. I try to distinguish every little sound from what direction it was coming from and how far away from me. Then, I jumped to the next sound. I can identify a crowd at my left or right; sometimes, I even can tell the bird was flying across my path by its calling sound. I can listen to multi-sounds and distinguish the kind of sound and from which direction they are coming from simultaneously.

Those are the natural things that give me the pure awareness in my immediate natural environment. Indeed, when I take a walk around my neighborhood, I can sense the scent in the air knowing who is cooking what by the beefy and onion smell; who is doing their laundry by the bleach odor. I'll hold my breath as soon as I detected an odor of carbon monoxide when a car was passing by.

You should be vigilant at all times and be aware what is around you; look straight ahead while walking. So, everything will be under your surveillance. Yes, I would say the purpose of meditation for me is pure awareness.

yes sitting on a cushion, i do just the same thing you described up there, leaning forward then straightening. very helpful.

 

i didn't learn the locks through yoga practice, i learned them from a shaolin sifu. he was not a taoist master. i just never really got the point of it (anal lock) which isn't his fault. i think its just my (un)natural western forcefulness that caused me to miss the mark.

 

thanks for your advice, i appreciate it.

Nobody can do anal lock at a sitting position, not for long anyway. I think you had experienced yourself. You can only do it while standing or laying down. Take it from me.

This advice may not be a good one, but it was not a bad one neither.

Bigbook...

For a novice, one must learn the basic from the beginning level. No one can jump the gun. An infant has to learn to walk before he can run.

You have too many distractions, try to meditate with your eyes close first. Learn to concentrate before thinking about something some else. If you try to find an easy way to meditate, then you are starting with the wrong foot. There is no easy way to anything.

Bigbook...

Did you have your eyes open or close when you meditate...???

@Informer...

"Eyes open doesn't prevent meditation."

hm....Is this apply to beginners too....???