ChiDragon
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3 hours ago, dwai said:Let me give you my formula -
Qi condensed into bone marrow ==> Jin.
Where, Qi != BreathJin != mitochondrial density in muscle tissues
Here’s my proposal to those who want to explore this phenomenon —Is this a phenomenon. I thought a phenomenon is something that is observable.
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3 hours ago, dwai said:So if you are letting go of muscular strength, there is no reason to believe that muscular strength is involved in fajin, and automatically eliminates any need to consider mitochondrial density and ATP
Why should I have a reason not to believe it. It is documented all over the internet. It is a very good source of reference. Why not learn something from it instead of ignoring it?
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3 hours ago, dwai said:Or maybe they don’t care for what (if any) explanation scientists have.
I had mention that once already.
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14 minutes ago, forestofclarity said:
I have never encountered this outside of Master Liao’s school except for possibly White Crane. Is this set out in classic sources or oral tradition only?Don't worry, you will be hearing a lot more stories like that in the future. Like I said, everybody has a different story to tell. It will become true to a beliver. Peace!
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4 hours ago, Master Logray said:They are much curious about the 2nd type - supposedly energetic one. Are you going to look into that too?
My friend, thank you for your kind words. There is one, and only one, kind of Jin. People just have different notions about it. Based on the opinions of the people and their understanding, I don't think there is a need to going on any further. I guess they had already made up their minds and no one can change. I will rest at that. At least, I have it documented. Hopefully, one day someone will understand what I was saying. Thank you very much!
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4 minutes ago, Forestgreen said:A proven ability to fajin makes the storyteller more believable though.
Which technically disqualifies me, unless we discuss physiology which is within my area.
Let's discuss physiology which is within your area. I love to hear your story.
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15 minutes ago, Forestgreen said:Noone would disagree with this statement.
Of course not, each has a different story to tell as always the case.
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11 minutes ago, ChiDragon said:are they saying they are focusing on sensitivity, timing, stuff like that?
Focusing on sensitivity is called 懂勁，it is feeling the strength of the opponent while their hands are in contact.
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35 minutes ago, Forestgreen said:Are most taiji practitioner saying they focus on the gym, or are they saying they are focusing on sensitivity, timing, stuff like that?
Stuff relevant for, lets say, relevant areas in the brain that have to optimize their function?
There are practitioners at different levels with a limited amount of understanding. Each one has a story to tell.
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19 minutes ago, Forestgreen said:An olympic level weight lifter has a lot if muscle strength.
Muscle strength is not necessary is fajin，rather it is fali(發力). Fajin is also using the muscles to perform by a Taiji practitioner but the li is a tremendous force that was identified as Jin.
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Chen Xiaowang is performing fajin, there is no muscle strength at work? -
2 hours ago, dwai said:I didn’t, because I don’t claim there to be any “scientific theory” to back it. As far as I’m concerned, current science is incapable of detecting and measuring it beyond its applied effects. There are no scientific theories that I’ve come across that even remotely matches the lived experience of the kind of phenomenon I consider to be real Jin (aka not muscular strength)
Perhaps no one knew what it is nor what to look for. Even they found something close to it, then, they want to find a way to deny it. Since you say Jin is not muscle strength, I will close my eyes with my mind opened. On my next practice, I will lighten up my muscles just for you. Peace! ✌️
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38 minutes ago, stirling said:
What happens if you use a different browser? Also, check and see if there’s an update for your current browser. Install it if there is.
I am using firefox and it is up to date. The reason I am using it is because of the spell check function! -
1 hour ago, dwai said:If that’s the case, then how can you call your theory anything other than a hypothesis? To make definitive statements about it vis-a-vis science, requires scientific evidence (statistical analysis backed by experimental data).
Someone had done the work already, and published paper on them. Why do I need to reinvent the wheel again?
1 hour ago, dwai said:So you decided to fit your experience into a framework you felt best explained it. That’s fine by me, but is not definitive by any scientific standards. But more power to you if it makes you feel convinced!
What is wrong with using existing known scientific facts to back up my claims. As long I am not grabbing something from thin air and threw it to justify my understanding. It is not possible that I am in violation of any scientific standards.
May I ask what statistical analysis backed by experimental data did you use on your understanding.1 hour ago, dwai said:Not interested, as I’m quite sure that muscle contraction has nothing to do with taiji Jin
- my experience and those of others I know with phds and post-doctoral degrees in hard science, takes it to something beyond the domain of existing science. All agree that science is incapable of explaining or understanding this phenomenon entirely.
Wow! It was only a friendly suggestion. Not interested is a very scientific approach. Denying something before it was investigated. Are you saying, now, there is no need to go any further on this thread?
PS No matter what, I will go to conclude what fajin is all about. Peace!-
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Introduction to muscle conditions with mitochondrial dysfunction.
The growth of interest in mitochondrial research over the last decade is related to the knowledge that mitochondrial content and function exhibit plasticity in response to changes in metabolic energy demand. Exercise is a stimulus that is well known to induce increases in mitochondrial content within skeletal muscle. However, decrements in mitochondrial content and function can also take place, forcing muscle to derive a greater fraction of its energy from glycolysis during the stress of energy demands. Such decreases in mitochondria are readily apparent in muscle fibers subject to chronic disuse, providing evidence that muscle activity is critical to maintenance of a normal, healthy mitochondrial pool.
The above explanation shows the effect of exercise between Taiji and weightlifting on the mitochondrial density.
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I need technique assistance with the editor. Sometime, the cursor went into the quotation box, I can get it out. Then, I have to clear the editor and start all over again. Please look into the matter. Thank you!
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On 9/6/2024 at 10:51 AM, Cobie said:3. air, aura, atmosphere; climate, weather.
a. any of the 24 fortnightly periods or ‘nodes’ (jie 節 ) of the solar year.
b. flavour; smell, scent.
How does aura get into this?
a. any of the 24 fortnightly periods or ‘nodes’ (jie 節 ) of the Luna year. -
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On 9/6/2024 at 11:06 AM, Cobie said:1 hour ago, Taoist Texts said:why does this look like 三 3?
It is on the oracle bone script. Tap on the URL to see it
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Why do we need oxygen?
You, like many other organisms, need oxygen to live. As you know if you’ve ever tried to hold your breath for too long, lack of oxygen can make you feel dizzy or even black out, and prolonged lack of oxygen can even cause death. But have you ever wondered why that’s the case, or what exactly your body does with all that oxygen?
As it turns out, the reason you need oxygen is so your cells can use this molecule during oxidative phosphorylation, the final stage of cellular respiration. Oxidative phosphorylation is made up of two closely connected components: the electron transport chain and chemiosmosis. In the electron transport chain, electrons are passed from one molecule to another, and energy released in these electron transfers is used to form an electrochemical gradient. In chemiosmosis, the energy stored in the gradient is used to make ATP.
So, where does oxygen fit into this picture? Oxygen sits at the end of the electron transport chain, where it accepts electrons and picks up protons to form water. If oxygen isn’t there to accept electrons (for instance, because a person is not breathing in enough oxygen), the electron transport chain will stop running, and ATP will no longer be produced by chemiosmosis. Without enough ATP, cells can’t carry out the reactions they need to function, and, after a long enough period of time, may even die.
Ref: https://www.khanacademy.org/science/ap-biology/cellular-energetics/cellular-respiration-ap/a/oxidative-phosphorylation-etc#:~:text=You, like many other organisms, need oxygen
Three steps of Cellular Respiration -
To understand the cellular respiration will lead us to know why abdominal breathing is so important to a Taiji practitioner. Since people cannot stop mentioning about chi(氣) or energy, hopefully, cellular respiration will help us to clarify where is our muscle energy come from. Cellular respiration will be talking a lot about oxygen is because that is the main element to produce muscle energy. Ops, I meant Chi.
Cellular respiration is the process by which biological fuels are oxidized in the presence of an inorganic electron acceptor, such as oxygen, to drive the bulk production of adenosine triphosphate, which contains energy. Cellular respiration may be described as a set of metabolic reactions and processes that take place in the cells of organisms to convert chemical energy from nutrients into ATP, and then release waste products.
Here is a very good introduction of cellular respiration which is very educational.
Ref: https://www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-energy-and-transport/hs-cellular-respiration/a/hs-cellular-respiration-review
What is fajin, 發勁?
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All human bodies are functioning the same way. We all breathe, but some people may not breathe the same way. Learning a better way to breathe will prolong once lifespan. Deveoping Jin is not system dependant. In other words, no matter what system one practice, the end result is still the same in a body.