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Videos say a million words. I have yet to see any Chinese master display such prowress in the energetic arts yet these students of Indonesian Qigong are displaying acts of power in the Internal arts which will put most Chinese qigong "masters" to shame. I fear that soon in the future, China will lost the title of Qigong Capital of the World to Indonesia.

Many in here despise the use of Siddhis. But today, I am going to highlight the use of one common Siddhi possessed by too many spiritual practitioners world-wide which will aid in the enlightenment process. Quite a few seekers have been trapped by the mara of lust. Yet when one develops the power of Remote Viewing and see the ugly side of humans when they defecate, curse, swear or if they can RV how the human body grows older and uglier as time grows by, then these viewings would aid in curbing the lust of man. Some powerful viewers are even able to see two skeletons complete with organs making love to each other whenever they see pornography. They literally have x-ray eyes.

No, it is that hard.

True RV includes the ability to RV future or past events.

Tenaga Dalam is higher than Chinese Nei Kung or John Chang Mo Pai. Can John Chang Mo Pai or any other qigong do this for a child? Here an Indo child can even train himself to withstand heat. Can any qigong or mopai accomplish similar feats which even a child can learn? Prove it. Prove that the Chinese Qigong can accomplish more miraculous feats than Tenaga Dalam and I will eat my words. Otherwise you are no better than chinese qigong masters blowing hot air.

All the taoist secrets in qigong can be found via Mantak Chia or Tenaga Dalam. There is absolutely no point in anygoing going all the way to China to learn these "secrets". Besides due to the openness of Mantak Chia's teachings and Tenaga Dalam, I believe the level and sophistication of qigong in SEA is much higher than those found in China. In regards to you Huriahr, I have lived in China for a few years before so I know exactly how the China society operates.

Didn't I say that books and the buddha mind are just the basics? How do you expect to realize the ultimate attainment - Jalus - if you are already satisfied with just attaining the buddha mind? Ah well, it is your life. If you want to believe that attaining the buddha mind is the ultimate achievement in spirituality, then so be it. I have very different roads from you, fortunately for me. Jalus is for me and fortunately there are some shamans in indonesia practising Jalus for me to learn from.

Man and woman are decreed by heaven to be together until their higher self or soul finally realizes the fultility of the illusionary gameworld which all of us are in. Why do you think humans grow old and die? If man and woman are meant to be together, then why is there separation in every marriage and every relationship whether it be through death, divorce or mutual separation? It is only when man and woman realizes the fultility of the samsara which we live in then can they summon up the courage and willpower to leave the mundane world in favour of the spiritual. Of course you can be married and be spiritual at the same time but it is like focusing on doing two things at once. Your marriage life would definitely create many obstacles and problems for your spiritual life. Yes there are many taoists in China but the level of true spiritual taoist knowledge has severely degraded due to the purging of religion and spirituality throughout Chinese history. Unlike Thailand and Indonesia where the culture has really encouraged the study and experimentation of magick, Chinese culture has frowned upon and even destroyed magick and spirituality on numerous occassions. The current lineage of taoist masters in China are all heavily controlled by the communist government and the true practices regarding enlightenment and development of siddhis have been curtailed by the Chinese communist government a long time ago. Oh btw, did I mention that the Chinese communist government has its own secret CIA type division of remote viewers and influencers? Yep, apparently the Chinese communist government believed and heavily relied upon the use of psychic powers (they have this program where they actively seek out kids with psychic talent) yet they have actively suppressed and controlled religion and spirituality in China. Hmmm .. I wonder why? Go to China? No thanks I would live in Indonesia and Thailand and learn from the Indo/Thai Shamans. They would crush the Chinese anytime.

I believe jalus, rainbow body and light body are one and the same. Yes, one needs to be really stubborn about accomplishing jalus but no, it is quite impossible to accomplish jalus while in a state of complete ignorance. Complete ignorance comes about as a result of fools ignoring the impermanence of this world. You can have siddhis while still remaining ignorant completely. I know of many people possessing the siddhis of remote viewing and they can see the woman or man whom they are dating growing old in the future, defecating in the toilet, digging their nose, scratching their balls/breasts and yet they stubbornly refuse to fall out of the mara of lust and procreation. This would be what I call complete ignorance regardless of how many psychic powers you have.

Liberating.

Wise men see gold as stones while fools see stones as gold.

Very impressive explaination. However, I have often been told that books do not teach you everything. They only offer the basics and foundation for you to work on. One of the chinese sorcerer whom I know said this. He said that the tibetan lamas do not offer everything to the public. They only give specific teachings according to the individual's level of attainment. You say that jalus attainment depends on one attaining the buddha mind. Then may I ask you if you do know that the fundamental approaches of gaining jalus include the process of generating a spiritual foetus and transferring your consciousness to that spiritual foetus found in mantak chia's teachings? Do you know that in dzogchen, the jalus seeker has to practice phowa and chi meditation as well as other yogic practices? Yogic practices which include the manipulation of energies inside your body and dealing with higher dimensional beings through your higher mind? Attaining the buddha mind is a foundation to attaining jalus but it is just a foundation and nothing more. You will be sorely mistaken if you delude yourself into thinking that the buddha mind is the sole pre-requisite of attaining jalus. The development of siddhis and powers for the goal of attaining enlightenment and the rainbow body is a perfectly justfiable excuse. There is nothing wrong with developing siddhis and powers as long as it is for a noble purpose like attaining jalus. Read the following post by someone else posting in another forum. http://www.thebigview.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3002 Absolutely,...why gain prajna for the sake of siddhi? However, to gain siddhi for the sake prajna would be different. Siddhi or magick, for those on the Short Path, is as a personal litmus test which shows their level of understanding that emptiness is form and form is emptiness. If one has an ability to use all Nine Magick Perfections, then they have a full realization of Emptiness and Form. No magick ability, no full useful awareness of Emptiness and Form. If you are on the Hinayana (narrow path) or Mahayana (open path) then by all means follow spirit without hesitation, and stay on your path. The Short Path is for a very few. They are the Shambhala warriors committed to bringing peace and human beingness to the planet. My book, "Exploring Freethought Magick," is not for everyone. The Short Path is very difficult (for the ego), because to enter the Short Path one must understand on an essense level that the universe is not here for them, but that they are here for the universe,...for as long as the universe exists (through perception). Those on the Short Path are not "getting out" any sooner than anyone else, but here to bring more love and light in. Buddha was said to have predicted (in the Kalachakra) a time when Short Pathers or Shambhala warriors would emerge in such masses (more than a single Buddha) that it will precipatate a great religious war which will bring a conclusion to all superstitions, and Shambhala will be the guiding force of the next levels of evolution. Because those on the Short Path gain an intimate understanding of Emptiness is Form and Form is Emptiness, their compassion is unsurpassed, as Buddha suggested in the Heart Sutra. That compassion is the vital force which fills their every cell with a committment for the liberation of all sentient beings.

In order to attain jalus, you need to be able to develop power. If you can't develop power, you can forget about getting jalus, regardless of how wise and enlightened you are. Jalus is the highest state of attainment for humanity.

Everybody has control over their collective future. But if you find yourself stuck in a society which inhibits your spiritual progres, you should leave that particular society asap. Too bad most chinese don't even realize that their society inhibits their spiritual progress and if they are blind to the failings of their society, do you think they would leave that particular society in the first place? I stress again it is the society at fault and not the race itself. The few chinese sorcerers I met are true geniuses, not only in magick but geniuses in matters of philosophy and psychology. It is like most chinese are pretty screwed up in the head but the ones who ain't screwed up, they are geniuses who look beyond the surface to the root of any problems. But then, I guess that pretty applies to every race.

Concentration is needed for true spiritual progress.

The CIA had been spending lots of money researching how these fakirs and other middle eastern practitioners get cut without losing any blood or even incuring scars. These parlour tricks are like the basics to a real master. If you can't perform these parlour tricks, then you do not deserve to be called a master. Performing these parlour tricks require the sensing and manipulation of other-dimensional energies and physics. If you can't even sense and manipulate other-dimensional energies and physics, what right do you have to call yourself a master?

I have seen that particular chap upclose personally.

It is the society which I am aiming at rather than the race. I know of a few chinese sorcerers myself who does possess significant power, a few but seriously, the numbers pale in comparison to the Thai and Indos. And even these Chinese sorcerers are studying magick from other countries.

I have had many years of personal relationships with the Chinese upclose. Personal relationships, mind you, not business relationships. Also, I have the ability to feel a person's spiritual power. A few chinese do have the power, I don't doubt it but really, if you compared the level of Chinese spiritual power, not to mention the number of true Chinese spiritual masters, to the thai or indo shamans, there is a difference. Take for example the Long Hu Mountain Daoist Sect, which Jeffrey Alan Johnson is a part of. The Thai Archans would kick the asses of the Daoist Long Hu Mountain "Masters" anytime, not to mention the Indonesian Shamans and Middle Eastern practitioners. Jeffrey Alan Johnson is now studying Tibetan Magick. I wonder why since he has already spent so much time and energy learning the all-power Daoist Magick?

Of course not, the Chinese are only interested in using their marginal abilities to gain wealth and health for themselves so they would have the ability to procreate endlessly.

I like to see the Chinese accomplish a similar feat.

Internal Energy Arts may come from China but due to the corruption of the materialistic society and control by the communist government, the practices have become diluted compared to Internal Energy Arts found in the SEA countries. Even the arts of Spiritual Magick in China have become diluted due to the corrupting influences of money and procreation in the Chinese Society not only in China but also chinese societies overseas. For Internal Energy Arts and Spiritual Magick Arts to flourish, the community of wizards and martial artists has to be given the freedom and the peace of mind to disseminate the teachings without fear. Because it is only when a large body of practitioners is gathered then can the Arts be experimented with and pushed beyond the limits to the next step. Otherwise, the Arts would just stagnate and even regress in their potential. I know a wise spiritual practioner who is Chinese but he follows some really powerful Israeli Jew Magick Secret Teachings which are even more powerful than the Gnostics and Kabbalah. He told me this. He told me that SEA region contains some of the most powerful spiritual practitioners in the world and China, Taiwan and HK does not hold a candle to the SEA region in terms of spiritual power. I didn't want to believe him but now I know it to be true. Any spiritual battles and contests held between the SEA region shamans and the Chinese sorcerers in China, HK and Taiwan will result in the Chinese sorcerers losing and losing BADLY. The same result will happen in the cases of the Internal Energy Martial Arts. There are quite a few Taiwanese and HK spiritual masters who have to run off to SEA to seek spiritual help in defeating black magick. Ever wonder why? Just check the videos which I posted in my recent posts. Let's face it. The Chinese are great fantastic manufacturers and businessmen but when it comes to magick? Give me a break. The Chinese have lost their spiritual power along with their souls a long long time ago.

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How does Master Yang make his living then? If what you say is true, then he would be the first Chinese master I know who does not charge for his teachings.

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