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Hi Yoda, My advice to you is to take her to a good Practitioner of Chinese Medicine and get a correct diagnosis and treatment. There is nothing here that would actually be addressing the true underlying condition. there are actually many causes for this condition and not every remedy is correct for every cause. In fact some remedies or lifestlye changes can actually cause further harm than good, and it seems that she has already experieced this. If there is actually a problem with her diaphram as part of the cause, this will increase the problem and cause further problems, could actually lead to high BP and emotional issues such as anxiety attacks. Must know the cause.

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I am not feeling myself....

If it was not for the book Magus of Java, we would not be even having this conversation. John Chang is not one who can be compared to the teachers who can be easily found. It has been written by those in the know that the book was not meant to be the way it was, and perhaps not at all.

Wait houtien, nothing is more rediculous than the claim that David achieved Yinyang gong the same as what is described as level 4 in the Magus of Java, I think I read somewhere to that he is now also immortal

I think it's more that the obvious became very very obvious. It's all just moved up a level. Davids team want to advertise and dangle the carrot but never show the product.

Could you please elaborate on the Left, right hand paths.

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Far out.....David cant even fill his own dantien he has to suck it from a bull. And now he claims to have YinYang GONG....hilarious That means also he accomplished it faster than any Chinese Master ever did......must be the italian genetics

Hi Sunshine

Yes this has been a part of there method, but only for some including David. The death of the bull is a result of there Qi been drawn from them and used to fill there own Dan Tien. They also rely on empowerments given by the Masters.

If I was offered to attend the training for free and the class was held next door I still would not be interested in it. So many of you are fixated on the money aspect of training, to me this is the most minor issues of the overall picture of this organization. I do believe that David has good intentions, however the direction and path which the group is taking is a manifestation of there own weaknesses and gaps in initial development. So I dont see it as right or wrong, but just unfortunate as so many are been affected. My truth and experience is that nothing can be given to you apart from correct method, the rest is up to you, your will and strength and your fate as to how long and how far you reach in your spiritual development. There is no need for the bulls, this is the path for those who want to short cut or do not have the strength. There is nothing like going thru the whole process of making something yourself, the process enriches you in so many ways and so many levels. It allows you to trually be responsible and correct with power. David now says that he has reached YinYang Gong or Nei Gong, thanks to the bulls. However its misleading to creat the picture that this is equivelant to the now legendary Level 4. Its also dishonest to constanly use the credibility of John Chang as a draw card. You have been playing with fire in your marketing. There are many many other things too, however my intention is not to Hurt the organization, but rather urge it to be more honest thru all its levels so that it may grow the correct way.

Why would anyone follow a person who claims to be a teacher and is not able to cultivate his OWN chi? If he was able, then he would have. So what is there to learn from him? Foundation forum? so what is the foundation?

Sean, all I can say is that I know more than you think. I shall not go further with it as I serioulsy want things to rest. I feel you are to public and all of these conversations should really be behind doors, but thats your choice. The problems you guys now face are all self created and a result of actions.

So Basicly David is not capable of cultivating it for himself. From the time that David introduced to Mo Pai he never achieved anything? but just constantly looking around and talking with other Masters collecting information it seems. And now, those who follow him can only walk the same path, how is a student of David expected to achieve anything any other way? I seriously doubt that this is a Method used by Teacher John Chang.

Sean thank you for proving my point and also I can see you have no idea where I am coming from, so I see no point in continuing this. Beliefs and faiths will always only be that. Been a Cook for a few days and talking to a few Famous chefs and having a few great meals does not make one qualified in my books. Days is a fair comparision when looking at what it takes.

Hi, If you like email me a pic of your tongue, but make sure you havent brushed it. Also if your willing send me a pic of your face and of your body front view and side view in your natural standing position (clothes on but not to loose clothing ) Also one of your palms would be good too. Your age? We can start from there. Reards Vitagong

I was unaware of his age.......I am even more glad that I spelt it out for him then.

Radu, I see you have decided to repost your original post. I find it interesting how you only seem to see what you want to see, I know this because you you have said nothing about how this Person also in the same post where this came from totally disgraced himeself by saying disrespectful things about his teacher and un neccessary things about his brothers. You then also fail to mention the response to this and also the information about how this person had been giving incorrect teachings and the dangers involved. Can you not see it......its all yuk. And you want to learn from this person.

Hi Radu, If you had read all the posts in that forum regarding this topic I doubt you would be here asking this question. This system is now well and truelly closed its very clearly stated in both forums and in the latest video....my personal opinion is that it is very disrespectfull and dishonest to pursure this. If it was for you then you would have already. They clearly want to be left in peace, and its clear that all the info out there was never to have been in public domain to begin with. Please consider removing your request, and letting it all rest.

Hi everyone, My first post, my name is Vita and I travel a lot, so I dont really have a home during this time in my life. I have met many amazing people and have dabled into various practices here and there. Looking forward to some interesting chats thanks vita

Thanks Guys....