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There was a talk about WLP retreat in China in October 2025. He did resume his retreats after the Covid hiatus.

All good questions. Getting sense of the practice is similar to learning how to drive a car. Until you have driven 2000 kms, you can't say you can drive. Same with qigong and/or meditation. Ironically, I'd say one needs about 2000 hours of dedicated practice to figure out some basic things. Until then, it would make sense: - don't get involved in any cultish groups - don't do anything excessive - do both body maintenance and sitting still practices - treat everything with a pinch of irony Eventually, the practice should align with your goal(s) and should not harm other people. Something like this.

We need ethics to get our spirit stronger. Some people can make their spirit stronger without being moral and ethical, but vast majority cannot. The catch is that this understanding comes later in life, when one starts developing some degree of wisdom. When this happens, it is often difficult to rectify earlier mistakes. So it is better to trust that being ethical is good, because it could be too late later on.

I guess this is like any speculative fiction when you don't take it literally but for the spirit of it, for the inspiration and motivation. I don't think there is any ambient energy which can act as nutrition. I think that it is more likely that there is energy that carries some kind of information in it.

Nathan Brine referred to Wang Liping teaching exactly that to his senior foreign students right before Covid. If not for Covid, this curriculum would go deeper. I don't have information as to how it has been since then as China seems to be not very welcoming recently. The biggest take away from this for me were two ideas: - neigong/neidan is just a starting point so sweating too much on it might not bring desired outcomes - Everybody has their own path. While it is possible to train all five, such training will lack depth. But again, everybody choose themselves.

From what I gather, the dissolving techniques Frantzis teaches is very similar to practice 'Kayotzarg' from Jain tradition. And later a Jain monk said to our group that Kayotzarg is similar to one of Vipassana. This is likely how Frantzis learned the technique, from Vipassana folks. Wang Liping also teaches a very similar technique which he calls something like 'Clearing the body'. In summary - this is a good technique and one can apply it with different intent and objective. But I wouldn't call it something specially secretive.

You might want to look at Kabala Letter U as per Franz Bardon / Mark Rasmus. THis letter U represents (as per Bardon) akasha/vacuum which is highly dissolving by nature, and one of the attributes of the letter is color black. I must warn that everybody states it is quite dangerous to meditate on this letter U, so I'd suggest doing thorough research before doing anything at all.

If you feel connection to WLP system, Nathan is a good teacher. In fact, Nathan has practiced and learned much more than WLP system, but this is the only one Nathan teaches. Nathan's advantage is that he is fluent in mandarin and he has talked with WLP a lot. On a personal anecdote, there was an incident one time after his class when he wanted to demonstrate something to a student and accidentally released some amount of qi that was more than he wanted. The student had to sit and wait for 5 minutes before getting back to normal. When people develop their internal qi, it is no joke.

Thank you for the report, @Nuralshamal, very interesting. It is interesting that some students did not feel any transmission at all. Transmission is real. What is more interesting, transmission is real even via internet. I was really surprised when I discovered that. Did you feel heat/warmth as in increase in temperature in your body parts or was it as a generation of energy that would flow inside the body?

Regardless of what qualification/degree you get in your younger years, you will have to change or adapt it 2 or 3 times during your lifetime. If you feel strongly about your desired work place right now as an electrician or care, you could apply the credits you already have to the new profession. But finishing your economics would be good because you will have a degree that will be applicable to any change you might have later in life. Getting something finished is important.

What Hitler did to German people in 1930th is a good example of black magic. We don't exactly know what tool he used for that, but the result is well known. Ultimately, it is the intent that defines magic is black or not. The same as technology and science. It is always intent. The older I get the more I'm a proponent of the idea that ethics and morale are the most important things to muster in life.

Practice evolves, and the goals evolve as well. This is a moving target. This is why it is more important to do something than not to do and just try to understand what exactly to do.

I don't argue that traditional methods of education are wrong or bad, they are good, - it is just that life has changed so much in the last 100 years that traditional methods of education don't work for majority of students.

He looks legitimate for me and his explanations have reasonable depth. Not too much not too little. The 24 movements form he teaches has movements you can come across in numerous neigong and daoyin sets; but this does not matter. What matters is how he explains and transmits his knowledge, and this seems to be reasonably good. Have you bought it yet? A bit pricey.

If you enjoy reading, just read all the books, they are all good - Damo, Chia, Brine/Wang Liping. If you want to achieve something real, stop reading and start practising. Reading does not bring any benefits if your goal is to achieve something with dao or yoga.