WhiteTiger

Hi I'm sure I'm missing many pieces also. Smart not to be... No one serious about practice should look at anything generalized.

Spectrum, what does btt stand for?

While you might understand to not intend just Do... I feel or think your still missing pieces. People in the Here and Now (in the present moment) can also have Intentions. In Chinese their is a word "Yi" It roughly translates in english to mean Intent... The meaning is slightly different though. Intent = A persons Intentions Intent = What a person intends to do In mainstream Buddhism they talk or express it slightly differently. Speaking about BEING in the HERE AND NOW you don't intend (like you don't try you just DO) Is one theory. But what I'm referring to is Why have an Intention at all? Thats what I'm asking.

Why have an Intention? One of my most favorite things about good Taoists practicing Internal Alchemy, they have trained to not have any intentions, with you, around you... and so forth.

I was also taught "Theory" (conceptual understanding of practices) and while also practicing.

Yeah, but i definately gotta work on getting myself to "DO" the actual practices...

Most popular practices of Taoism is somewhat slowly taught through Chinese Internal Martial arts and thus many people start to get exposure to fighting with this sort of thing. This might be why some people focus so much on fighting while they talk or think of taoism. The title of this post is "how do you use taoism during a conflict?" To properly understand how to use Taoism during a conflict you must look at the conflict first. To figure out how to properly deal with the situation. While this happens your taught Internal Martial Arts (honing your skills sharpening your ability) to keep the body fit in the mean time you are spending whatever amount you can afford to figure out the situation. This is why longevity is so key. This can often result in taking many years to solve the problem, but no doubt it will be solving the problem as to not come up again unless the problem has then changed. Thus learning how to take proper action when the time comes... if something happens abruptly unexpected you must still remain calm until you understand the situation fully.

True Adam, although their are programs to learn tai chi through DvDs to a certain level and some of the people have strong enough energy to transmit some stuff through long enough distances... although the quality would be much different if you were their in person and highly questionable how much of a transmition you would be getting... much more desirable. Last thing you might want to take into consideration is it is helpful when people that do long distance learning is when you send back what you've learned and the long distance teachers correct you in certain things... I mean... it can be done but its never anything compared to doing it in person.

If its not obvious your if you gonna win or lose the battle just make up and be friends with the person... buy them dinner or something... You don't want to get into a fight. PLEASE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THIS IS ONLY WHEN YOU ARE IN A SITUATION YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE... BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH MOST PEOPLE IS AT THE TIME THEY DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM I asked a teacher if you were in a fight and you attack the person three times and they block all or deflect or completely uneffected what should you do. He replied, make friends with him and offer to buy him some icecream because you ain't gunna win. All battles should end in one attack. If you want to should absolute ruthlessness. when both sides are unaware of each others strength or strength of their friends (willing to help them) some fighters play by the rules of should understand their opponents before striking at all, often when you can't deal with it any other way you spend time figuring out the situation or if times are much worse you lightly attack them to see their reaction. The point here is just to see the ability of the opponent. The second is the end the battle completely outright. But we are talking about battles here not wars... Wars are a subject well, you should spend lots and lots of years studying to figure out how they work... You gunna learn in Sun Tzu its always best to avoid wars at all costs... it cost a great deal on you... your city, and state. The word battle in this case refers to already being in a war. So thus why i am actually talking about fighting... Always study both sides of the situation not just one side. Its always best to understand the full situation before taking action... That is a well known Taoist practice... and many on this forum that knows anything about rightful action will agree with I 100% guarantee that. IF NOT, THEIR IS SOMETHING FAULTY IN THEIR LOGIC. This is pure wisdom I'm sharing you don't have to believe me or not... I'm not pushing one way or the other... I have no interest in one side or the other. I'm just stating what i know... if you really wanna question it you can address questions to me or the other side of the agruement or do your own research on the matter (Which will take years in my opinion unless you get this sort of thing from a real accomplished teacher) Heres my end all point... Cultivate (Spiritually, healer or fighter) for the sole purpose to never need to use what you know for a fight unless you absolutely can't do anything else. Sometimes in small battles or fights when people suffering from issues bad things happen... and then people get so frustrated or angry that they decide to fight about it... and thats just never the best solution... but i will not argue its a solution. Creates all sorts of horrible horrible karma though... you definately pay for it in the end. And Good fighters that are experienced (not me talking about someone I know... and no he isn't my friend) are used to the idea that it creates bad karma and learn to live with it. They create bad karma and they then gotta work a lot to get out of it... Waste of time in my opinion but many people make choices based on ignorance. Sadly... i have little power to stop such things.

Its honestly obvious when your gonna win or lose a battle. I guess you have to remember some battles you had with fighters/warriors... I've lost all the ones I've been in... (My goal isn't to actually fight... but apparently I get whooped by fighters) although All the ones I've been in people were controlling me abusing me and using me in all cases thus the reason the moment when i don't want to be a part of it anymore everyone seems to turn their back on me and screw me over. I'm no longer interested in being part of any fights or wars. I am however interested in being a fighter/warrior to some extent but the point isn't to hurt people... its to protect myself in the most desperate times. My recommendation IS (I FEEL VERY IMPORTANT) if you can solve the issue through spirituality (and theoretically you always can supposedly) then you deal with it through healing the person causing issue with you. The last AND ALWAYS LAST time to do or use anything would be to fight... I REALLY RECOMMEND FIGHTING AS THE LAST RESORT WHEN YOU CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ELSE I'm sure many others would advocate the same. Fighters that spend their whole lives as their proffession and training as a fight even NEVER steps the bounds of their fighting ability be higher then their healing ability nor the spiritually... They believe in a balance of all three... I'll give you an example, if you fighting abilities is stronger then your healing abilities you will end up hurting yourself and take much longer down time when you do get hurt. Thus why Spirituality, Healing, and Fighting abilities should be at the same ability if you are to do fighting. If you are a healer... Spirituality and healing should be at least level, and your fighting can be lower... if your just spiritual you just need to work on that being the highest. These are the general proper "Safe theories" one should work with. even more funny one can talk about how Sun Tzu teaches how to fight... But thats only one side of the situation... You could call that the external way of dealing with it... the Yang, while internal way (yin) way of dealing with the situation would be to learn how to keep out of a fight. Supposedly the balance between yin and yang would be the spiritual way... making it the reason why its superior. Anyway lots of fun things to work with, think about.

Nice point...

HAHA tell me something i don't know Mythmaker work on some better stuff Gosh, n00b.

No offense, and I don't mean to be Highering my ego (Don't mean to be Plus you need to realize I have been Dyslexic all my life) But this is not so hard to do... Copy someone almost exactly... I'm not saying i can do it 100% and only a few moves at a time. I've seen others that can do much more. My personal issue lies in i don't remember unless i do it a 3-5 times until short term memory has it. Not until it hits my memory then i can start having sensations that give me proprieties of moves. In all I learn very fast i think but I do have to be healthy to do so... Currently I'm definately not. So i gotta deal with my health.

You know of Shoalin Monks sitting in horse stance for hours... They aren't actually sitting in horse stance for hours... In horse stance they are doing Zhan Zhuang meditation (a certain level of it at least)... whats often understood or referred to "Standing like a pole"... ok honestly to me I don't think its a big deal but some people can't even wrap their mind around that... Once your mind is wrapped around that... Understand their are higher levels... A lot of those monks do it naturally... Like they started out doing post standing (high ones) as they got better and better they sunk down more... and more... This stuff gets way deeper then just that... Try not to think of yourself as anything special and just practice practice practice, Observe, Observe, Observe. Also try and realize that the most important thing is not to have your heart filled with desire or passion. When we are have desire or passion it afflicts us because it resides in the heart and in the mind.

Took me until a few minutes of this posting to figure out this post... *looks down at the ground* I'm sorry I didn't mean to come at you like that... going back to movement within stillness instead of the opposite.

Mal their are always later dates... maybe less stressful and hopefully you get more time to plan.

I shall agree with you Seadog, this can definately help you out Pranaman. I don't mean to come across as a Know-It-All but rather that I have some experience and hopefully I can help others... If they are opened to it... Its just good Karma... even Taoists practice virtue... comes from the heart... properly portrayed through rightful use of Te (De) in fact without getting into other schools of practice methods Taoists even believe in helping out others. They most likely understand that a side benefit is them being helped out, in the longer run. Through experience maybe Pranaman you may learn this. I definately hope you do.

If you really want the answer, it will take A LOT OF WORK... As you can see you wanted an answer to a pretty big issue... or one that seems big or complex (Basically gives you lots of issues) As you can see by the depth and length of other peoples answers you should understand for you... it seems not an easy undertaking to fix the problem... (I said for you it seems, because of course Taoism is going to explain it as the situation is easy and simple to fix which is 100% correct and holds true). Through Buddhism they will say the issue of the big picture only takes some opened awareness of the situation. Here is my big point I'm trying the nicest way to explain to you... It will take lots and lots of effort on your part and if done while attached to desire and passions then most likely when you overcome the issue of emotionally instability will turn into lack of will to follow through with actions... work... school... and so forth.

I could be wrong but I believe this comes from a book, one of the two... The Okinawa Diet Plan or The Okinawa Program Basically... the books are based on a few different study's that are 15-20 years old when they were finished with the them (supposedly) and the culture back then comes from a tradition of Okinawa's that originally weren't Japanese at all. A different culture... that separated themselves from Japan. In at least one of those books it tells you about a Ancient people where they found a stone tablet claiming some sort of phrase that i don't wanna even try and quote it. Anyway they considered adults to live to be 130-140. According to the quote. They now have McDonald's all over the place and the average of how long people live their is kind of different each study they conduct... And their are a whole bunch of them anyway... The Diet... is well definately marketed is all i should say on the subject... but interesting to read about.

Your Welcome

Ah thank you very much for taking the time to explain these things to me... I've already learned so much in a short period of time of reading it. Once again thank you.

Adj, I don't know how best to explain this although, (and i don't do a good job at Rightful Speech) but sadly i doom myself by trying to speak anyways and trying to address the issue. Although this forum isn't like that, my prospective is everyone is on their path, people have issues. I suggest the best way to handle this it just to let it go right by, best not to interact with it. Can't fault someone for having issues can you? In my experience of your posts Phore you do a good job with it.

I could be wrong although, my understanding is there are Tibetan buddhism (supposedly named) practices that are same/similar to Chinese Taoism. They just incorperate a whole bunch of Buddhist things... that I'm well don't know much about. Modestman, I'm not so sure how much you know about Taoism. Everyone can talk about general terms and it only applies to everything generally (Meaning its not alway holds true) While everyone at the same time can talk about specifics (Meaning it not always encompasses the "whole") Modestman, that is an interesting view of Buddhism. May I ask what type(s) are you referring to that teach this? So I have a more specified but general idea of what your talking about.

Yep... This is a practice like all practices should evolve or get better (deeper, more things to learn) at the all levels. For Example, as you practice throughout beginning, Intermediate, advanced, assistant instructor, Teacher and Master levels it should get better. Grand-Master level = Mastered everything... "Supposedly Mastered infinite knowledge on how to do push hands."