WhiteTiger

Nice analogy. I enjoy the depth of the analogy has to offer. I don't have a problem with abandoning a master, a person willing to teach me. I have a problem when a student themselves finds a way to take advantage of me (maybe a more advanced student, but yet still a student and someone that has not already undergone what I'm facing) latches onto my destiny and uses and abuses me. Your right, I should not be at your beck and call nor should I be at yours. I've also spent much time thinking about your posts and i have to put much more time into it. Thank you very much *courteous bow* I shall keep a more natural flow to my learning. I wish you well, in complete sincerity.

Thank you wudangquan, for your post. I very much appreciate it. I said in my last post "In my opinion its just best to act if they claim verbally unwillingness to teach you, then don't stick around for them to teach you anything." Your right a much better way to give them much and create a good relationship well ahead of time before asking for anything. I was also taught that you understand the whole situation to figure out the proper action to take. I feel this is also very important when making a relationship to a teacher to learn if they are the material required for you. I personally find if a teacher tries to test you on something that could be corrected from the start that the teacher him or herself is not the right one for me. If it were you in the same situation this is the advice I would give.

This is just not true. Whom ever told you such a thing i would question their knowledge in this area or their intent when they told you such a thing. Some teachers will tell give you a very close minded view of you unable to learn what you seek. Often times this is really seen as they want you to work harder. among other things it could be (while trying to investigate the persons intention) In my opinion its just best to act if they claim verbally unwillingness to teach you, then don't stick around for them to teach you anything.

I have reason to believe that their is now a worm at my middle gate. Catching it when it is "eating energy", as explained in these terms that signify certain feelings in the body, is exceedingly hard for me to figure out right now. I am not aware of what I did to have this unfold on me. I direly wish it to stop.

Oh, I humbly claim to be on the path of the martial artist. But I DO NOT claim to be much of a student/practitioner of martial arts. Zhongyongdaoist, I understand that it is in the Taoist Religion to speak about things openly, and its up to the student to gain or have the ability to understand. If not have the ability they must contemplate on what has been spoken, spending long effort time and work to figure it out. After you say, "That is all for now" does that mean I will not talk to you until you decide to speak again? P.S. In my experience teachers use and abuse you, for their own gain. I do not become a student of a teacher only later to find out I'm not imparted a whole of what the person has to teach.

Actually... Now that i have had time to think about what your referring to. I realize that you are probably talking about someone in specific. Sad that i felt i did not get any trustful help (AT ALL) when this person realized how deep my issues was. She attempted more then once caused this within me. She consistently consciously and full of control tried to make me loose whatever cultivation i had left. In fact this directly speaks about the deamon (deimon) that i supposedly suffer from if thats what you even wanna call it. She played me with my weakness. Does anyone care, i doubt it. (because I believe in Taoism as a religion although I don't wish to practice with blind faith) PLUS I have no root in reality any longer, and supposedly someone is enjoying offering me help but trying to scare me at the same time (definately a mispractice of cultivation) Do i blame them for it HELL NO... I wish to avoid such a situation... do i trust them though HELL NO. Do i respect not saying there name... god why the hell am i so nice, sometimes i hate myself for being so nice... it has no cause. Others have even looked at me like I'm crazy being nice like this. Infact as i'm getting infurated as i continue to think about the specific situation your talking about, I would like to point out i left my last martial arts place specifically because all the teachers (but the owner of the school) did the same thing with me and trust me that Y was much greater cultivation they screwed me over with. MUCH more. I'll give you an example of a private message between me and this person with keeping them annonamous. (Exactly copy and pasted... but a small qoute of what i said in the private message that would link the specific person that sent me to this THAT IS why thats left out.) In the qoute i was being even kind and polite. Private message on these boards: "Hi WT, a classical text of the taoist canon (Shang-ching) describes the worms, sometimes referred to as monsters, as living in the three cavities along the spine, near the gates of the three dantiens. The dantiens gather qi when the gates are open. The monsters can close these gates and control your energy. They feed off unethical deeds, mundane worldly desires, and the grains we consume. Practices to eradicate them include fasting and/or avoidance of grains. There's other methods too, that has to do with overall cultivation and stilling the mind." The only reason, I understood i did this to another person was i could see a reflection and a cry out of pain and what happened when the person suffered. No other indications were understood to me. I even felt that pain inside me and it did hurt me too. Sadly thats nothing compared to what i had before i finally left my old martial arts school. AND the person and reason i cultivated it such strength and power, now had the ability to make me suffer. AND he does not stop to persist. Even now when i have no one for advice or help. I do not even believe in humanity any longer. You know what I think I'm done talking about this... i wish not to talk about it and relive it if i don't believe it will help me out.

Thank you cat for your reply once again. I do appreciate it. "Distortion of purity" What are the other two things Purity goes with? I'm truly sorry that others duped you. For whatever intent or reason. I wish not to do that ever again! All the people I've done I wish their wounds heal up and that I it never do it again. I have a great difficulty with sticking with Wuwei (non action) I find myself practicing Yang to balance myself out, but when problems arise with others, I must go Yin and not get involved. It arising GREAT ANGER inside me. An anger that i wish i could fix with or without others help. But I know my path I wish to lead, is a different then what most have offered me. I find myself in a perial without enough self control to find/gain ability of self strength to root myself to get back on my path. I happen to believing in a monastic Life. I also definately feel everyone around me is against me doing such a thing) Everyone when seeing how much diligence and hard work i can produce want to use it to benefit themselves. This is the only time when people seem to truly value me. Yes I was aware of it. You know, I find it happens often in practitioners some Chen Buddhists and some Taoists. (but maybe its just the specific sect they come from or the students strength ability to keep to their practice) But I don't see someone like Smile doing such a thing... I wonder whats the difference... what do you see (I ask that question in a form, where i wish for it "not" to be answered to me, but rather to be answered to yourselves.)

Zhongyongdaoist, I very much enjoy your posts. I genuinely thank you.

I was just browsing the internet and i found something i came across. http://wudangquan.com/wudangqigong/index.php They list three words that caught my attention. (Safety, Health, and Longevity) I was wondering is which correlates with Non-decay, longevity and perfection. I was thinking its more like Safety = non-decay Health = Perfection (seeking perfection just equals how healthy you are at) Longevity = Longevity (well yeah thats obvious) Am i remotely write? What do you guilds think?

StarJumper7 I've been holding many comments back in the past. Things i notice. I shall not say that they are bad or good. For I have seen both. I do not wish to enter into duality with you, nor anyone else. I would like to say that when you post your thoughts or answers your searching for on this forum. its an open forum for everyone to see. Some people will pass judgment over them. I understand that passing judgement is their fault and not yours. Although it doesn't make you seem very creditable as a Nei Kung Teacher. And I do know you have some good ability. How much ability you have I can not say because I did not search or try to figure that out. (Once again would not like to enter into any dualities with anyone). Although I am suggesting you think and take some time with your posts a little more then you have to make yourself not look so unknowledgable. Once again I DO know your knowledgeable and read quite a bit. (You know search for answers well)

As TBS T.V. commercials comments while trying to tell the audience how there shows are funny by using two words over and over again to get the message across that not only they think its funny but they think you should think its VERY FUNNY. So Hagar, VERY FUNNY. Ah in all of those things your describing mispractice of energy cultivation basically. The wrongs of how to use things. Thank you very much... Words can not describe how much this has helped! When something feels amiss about how you are acting it does take searching to figure out why. (At least in my experience) This advice has alone made me figure out what i call "the misspractice of energy cultivation. To think, Cat is a female in RL and she just helped me out. In my experience that has never happened unless they use that kind of helpful advice to get close to me to find details about me to later purposely use that against me. Totally duping me. Otherwise females (even almost all men) try to get close to me only to later on dupe me. Imo thats just wrong. More importantly the good ones had the intent from the get go... and always mentally was going to for something wrong... Thats mistreatment thats abuse... Thats definately some sort of messing with energy. The truth is if they put nearly as much effort as they did into messing with people (the ones that are strongly resistant) they would cultivate much more. The ones that are weak... well again why would you screw with the weak ones? Even if they give some sort types of energy easily, the truth is it will not last.

If all I truly knew about you was this then i would approve of you. I think its harder said then done. In my experience, people can't live up to what i expect of them and I honestly don't expect much. I understand that people are not perfect. That happens to not be what i expect of them. Same with me... I really didn't read past this... and i intend on reading the whole post but i had to comment That this is what i truly applaud you for. Me interested in magic... in proper mind set and manipulate it? sure. Use it in the right mind set? Sure. Cultivate to never need to use it? BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER! And this is why Peace is so important... as you cultivate you should become peaceful. A clean, a clear, a still, an empty mind. In some sort of way are you openly offering this type of magic? Or just claiming everyone walking in this path should most likely learn this? Looking forward to your answer. WT

What is the exact definitions of Vampirism. If there is a difference between Energy Vampirism and Jing Vampirism whats the difference? If there isn't whats their corralation?

Both. Both are part of my path. Freeform, you seem to post extremely openly. I don't fully understand the both analogies of the capacitor and the conductor. The "accumulating/building/storing energy and then refining it further and further and further" is my path. But at the same time, "let go of everything that is not needed and become as conductive as possible to allow the energy to move through you as a constant current" is also my path. Yes I know these seem extremely contradictory to each other don't they. Freeform I think you've seen more then enough of my posts to gather more then enough information about me. I mean i made it so darn obvious, although if you payed me no attention that might be a different story.

Maybe in most cases this is correct but I was under the impression their are some lineage holders of acupuncture. Are those not Taoist Lineage holders of healing... just in modern times when expressed what they are they are called inheritors of acupuncture? (What I mean is they are Taoists inheriting of healing practices, but their profession is an Acupuncture Doctor)

Very interesting Freeform. I was wondering Freeform do you consider self control a sort of sinister type control? The way I view self control as a way of cultivating lowest levels first then once fully cultivated slowly move to the next part. Self control means to me connecting with reality, and this will give me (or others) the ability to help themselves become more grounded. Do you consider this ability a type of sinister control? Maybe your saying without love, gaining self control is sinister.

I am no master but I noticed a misperception of an understanding that is not clearly being pointed out. So in hopes i don't actually get involved in the issue at hand maybe i could shed some light on come miscommunication. (the misperception). "False Speech" Simply put, False Speech doesn't mean that you are lying. It means you are 100% not speaking in a proper manor. False speech could be preaching improper practices and calling them Taoists teachings. If the student that is now a teacher teaching these things but believe in them it could not be all their fault because its their teacher that lead them astray. Their are other subtleties of false speech. Like talking down to another. Their are so many subtleties of false speech and its a real art to learn how to speak without using false speech. Which can often come from good cultivation. Weather Buddhism or Taoism (doesn't really matter which one) as long as they teach ongoing improvements of meditation they practice at least three aspects to dispel, Arrogance, Jealousy, and Greed. I can think of many traditions that dispel these at least basic three things, Chan Buddhism, The Pure Land Sect of Buddhism "the Amitabha Buddha", The Tharavada Tradition. In Toaism its practiced in Inner Alchemy Daoism its even found in the internal martial arts. (Taijiquan, Xingyiquan, Baguaquan, Yiquan, and Liuhebafa.) I can tell you i'm not cultivated enough (as evident in this post) to even achieve Right Speech.

Vortex the answer is Yin and Yang. Well we don't have to call it that. But we do have to call it at least polar opposites. One one side doing one action like eating spicy food helps raise our metabolism and has many other healthy properties but it will make it harder for you to focus or clear having such a clear mind in meditation. (I don't exactly know energetically what it does wrong but it definately does something) So which would you go with? Eating it for its healthy aspects or eating something else and doing meditation for its healthy aspects.

This is normally the way it should be done. I mean Fees are payed for initial trainings, to teach basics until one can show proper ability and commitment to the practice then one pays through practice or other tasks. I personally would like to learn face to face with a teacher, what do you think the benefits are from learning face to face Dao Zhen? This brings up a very interesting question that I have been thinking about for a more then 2 weeks. The last few people I've manifested for them to teach me things, they have given me it for free but in return i realize i give them support with adding energy. (kinda how manifesting works) Their was absolutely no money exchange in return. Has anyone looked at Spirit Rock website? http://www.spiritrock.org/ I was amazed and was thinking why exactly they offer their services for free, and at the end depending how much benefit you get out of it, you give them money for what you learn. This idea, just made me think of exactly the karmic way things work. Idk its all interesting things I've been thinking about it a lot lately. I don't expect anything to be free, and many times i'm willing to pay money. I definately don't have a problem with that. I'm not trying to force a deal to change or anything. Just something I've been contemplating. I do the family and helping out people very well but giving out big amounts of money i never really did very well at. I think that has to do a little with the fact that their was a time when I could exercised and it was fun, I could do it for hours every day without it feeling like it was to hard. Without the feeling of over exertion. Now when i work I'm always feeling like its over exertion and i guess that means i gotta figure out how to get back to that feeling of fun without over exertion.

When I was younger, More arrogant, (lack of understanding) more naive, and more easily fooled I had a teacher that was very good at a very well known type of martial arts. I learned a little bit of it and then spoke in my Kung Fu class as if i knew about it and made fun of how weak it was. My Kung Fu teacher then said to me, Are you a master in that martial art? I said no, he said are you a teacher in that martial art, i said no, he then asked me have you even achieved equivalent of a black belt, bascially meaning a serious student that wants to learn the real in depths of the martial art and start the "Art" of becoming good... in hopes to start to master technique after technique. I said Nope. He then said then you shouldn't talk about the martial art. The thing was he was teacher in both the Kung fu and the other martial art i was talking about and made fun of after learning a bit of it. I think many people learn, to be "black belt" level in their martial arts. (just using it as a sign of significance and you don't actually have to get a black belt to be that level) I also think that many people talk about their art being the best or what this has and so forth. Great for marketing to be honest. But until you become black belt level, teacher level or master level in both can you actually say much on one thing being better then another. I think their are many martial arts out their that are good and even great. The biggest thing that i personally look down on is when martial artists don't use both parts of their brain. Basically one learning from action only. which gives you experience. The second is from understanding mentally whats happening. Like cognitive thought. You see you might understand it through experience or performance but you don't understand its theory through cognitive thought process. So whatever you want to call it wisdom, intelligence, knowledge. I perfer to learn both in EVERYTHING I DO. For the sake of me writing this post I think it should happen in Martial Arts also. In my life the first time i experienced both requirements to become good at it was when i started learning about Taoism. So basically I'm gunna stick to claiming Learning Taoist Martial Arts. (now i understand that many other practices do both too) Many schools, specially Taiji schools will not teach much theory, cognitive thought... or knowledge of the art. Other then the act of doing it. I think thats down right horrible. It seems to be a similar trend when a more popularized martial art is being taught. Thats the problem with mass population, its hard to keep all that knowledge to mass people, thats why mass people are considered stupid when it comes to making order. (At least thats my opinion). Sorry got sidetracked, what I personally think is Taoist Martial Arts are best. So that means Taijiquan is good same with Xing Yi, or Bagua. But lets not forget Yiquan nor Lu He Ba fa and water boxing. I'm sure their are many many others also, that aren't nearly as popular as the first three.

This may be true, and a good reason to have children and a marriage. Although Its found within yourself. You don't need outside things to achieve this. Often times its weighing your options. Although its so rough to actually figure weather you will find it in another and thus you can then find it in yourself. It ends up not really being about trying to find it in another person. Thats extremely difficult although accomplishable, but it comes along with a lifestyle you must adhere to. I believe that most people subconsciously choose, or consciously choose to want to live there life a certain way. Supposidly their are ways to achieve what your seeking even within a relationship although the practices are slightly different and so forth. So just to finish off what I was saying in a better and clearer manor, it depends what life you choose to live. Many people are bound by issues preventing them from living the choice they really want, and have no idea they can choose. Just think how unfortunate they are.

When you get into Taoist practices (at least as far as Internal Alchemy goes, but i'm sure there are other ones also that do the same thing) You come to understand the drawing of parallels of things. Meaning as the practice deepens you realize one thing connects with another thing. As your Wisdom grows through experience and advancing you level (if you can call it level) advances. You learn to encompass more then just one meaning because they are connected, therefor you are you learn to talk and understand things in such a deep understanding things begin to meld. You see things with a sort of sight that is learned through practice (no teacher needs to teach it to you, this can be done through you own self contemplation along with the teachings of the practice, i guess that part does need a teacher/transmitter). So my point is simply, things start to make sense as a whole. You will learn a language or a way to talk that speaks on not one level but many. Because of this reason your talking never hold wrong. The more deeper your practice goes the more you just see things like this. You can also say Jing, Qi and Shen are all corrispond to the Lower Energy field (sometimes generally talked as the Lower Dan Tien I believe the proper name is the Xuan Pin) Middle Energy field (generally talked as if its the Middle Dan Tien I believe the proper name is Fang Cun) and the Upper Energy field (generally talk as if its the Upper Dan Tien I believe the proper name is Niwan) {on a side note i could be slightly incorrect with the names, feel free to correct me. I honestly don't wish to mislead people.} There are even more parallels then just that. Anyway this can be talked about in theory all you want... I suggest trying to experience and understand things through experience. From their you can REALLY learn this stuff.

I don't think you have anything wrong with this one. It seems you have a case of everything is so complex. The way is Simple... By Lao Tzu... maybe he had something good to say about the way *grins* As you stated The 5 elements... or what we refer to the 5 elements was not always considered the name of what is now called the 5 elements (At least from what I understand) it used to be refered to something like the creation/generating cycle, destruction/Overcoming cycle. (I'm not saying there aren't 5 elements but i'm saying that 5 elements or the exact name doesn't represent the theories that they are apart of) The closest name for whats now called the 5 elements is called teh 5 phases. Because each phase is a different element. The referance of 5 phases represents 5 different parts of the phase in whichever theory you apply it to. Of course the 1 of each phase represents its own element. The word Element talks about a feeling you get within the body. So what I'm trying to plainly say is 5 elements aren't supposed to be balanced. They are part of the 5 phases, which can be understood in different orders or the theory of creation/generating or destruction/Overcoming. If you want to talk about fun theory (or at least fun for me) we could talk about in the creation/generating cycle to beat another person... i guess in compition you have to create or generate more than he. If he allows himself to get discouraged than he loses (although that should not be considered an actual option... just ways to overcome, despite how hard it is) Although when doing destruction cycle to another the other person can't really beat you with doing more destruction. this way you both are left with destruction this doesn't actually accomplish much but both people hurting each other. Its pointless. How you beat this is not with the same its with the opposite. You do the opposite cycle of destruction if your opposite is more powerful then well you win. The theory is you don't get hurt in the proccess either. Kinda of funny huh? Think about it honestly. To Generate and beat another person like forms competition you just have to generate better more so to speak. While in destruction is the art of taking away form another, one can't try and take away from the other and the other person try and take away from the other both are left messed up... maybe one wins but still both messed up.

Ok... I think you Misinterpreted what i was saying. I was talking about one feeling that is sometimes got after performing sexual acts. Sexuality, Sexual healing, and sexual expression, are three areas different areas that can be mastered individually. Meaning there are specific specifications for every little detail of everything. Have you studied how to ejaculate properly. Lots of men need to learn the proper way to do this. Lots of men have serious issues with what Taiji teachers call fully relaxing. (we all know you can never fully relax otherwise your muscles wouldn't stay on your bones but that ability to relax fully is based on how you mind can let go) It turns into a game of muscle control... can you fully relax one muscle while giving tension to others? Anyway I never like to go into extreme details or get discussions about sexuality, at my young age it definately doesn't make it easy on myself to stay with a focused mind. I never said the words Lack of blood. Although blood misplaced definately. In an orgasm its different because its not just change of blood its also many different hormones and lots of energy work happening and/or the endocrine system doing many different changes with chemical processes. So yeah its definately gunna feel different. If this is a joke that was quite a distasteful joke Imho. Although if it wasn't at least about eating womens raw blood than well... Than well now that i'm addressing it i gotta say something. I would say - No Comment.