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My vulture thread was put in the Pit,...I'd still be there if they hadn't disabled the New Topic button.

I imagined "off topic" as being those topics not in lock-step with the common beliefs held by the General forum.

Tao gives rise to One. One gives birth to yin and yang. Yin and yang give birth to all things....The Tao is as a causeless fulcrum, upon which One lever allows Yin/Yang to effect their perceived motion. Within the Tao is not Two, not One. Parsons beliefs holds him in the Two, which he calls One, but isn't One. Wholeness is beyond the Two and the One. Wholeness is synonymous with the Tao. Brahma is said to be in the One. But the One is not the Tao. There’s a story in the Buddhist scriptures of a talented monk who wanted to find out the answer to the question, “Where do the four elements cease without remainder?” Through meditation he reached the Heaven of the Four Great Kings, who did not know the answer. Next he went to the thirty three gods in a higher Desire Realm heaven, but none of these rulers knew either. He then asked King Sakka (Indra), the king of these gods, but Sakka did not know the answer. Up and up he went asking all sorts of gods at each and every higher level. Finally he came to Great Brahma, the Creator, Uncreated, Knower of All. When the monk finally achieved an audience with Great Brahma, Brahma appeared in all his majesty and glory announcing, "I am Great Brahma, the Conqueror, the Unconquered, the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Ruler, Appointer and Orderer, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be." The monk then humbly and respectfully asked his question, but all Great Brahma did was repeat, "I am Great Brahma, the Conqueror, the Unconquered, the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Ruler, Appointer and Orderer, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be." The monk eventually got frustrated and said, “I know you are "Great Brahma, the Conqueror, the Unconquered, the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Ruler, Appointer and Orderer, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be," but I asked you a question about where the four elements cease without remainder. The Great Brahma replied, “Listen little monk, don’t embarrass me. All these other gods are listening and think I know everything. If you want to know the answer to a question like that, don’t ask me. I don’t know the answer. For a question like that, you have to go ask the Buddha.”

You have a script to program your I or ego for enlightenment? If you realized that the I is a problem, you could manifest a surrogate I into the script,...an I that you agree at the onset, is not real. Thus, the surrogate I dissolves when the mission is complete. The Buddha realized enlightenment by understanding why not to desire things other than they are. Any desire arising from "me, I. myself," is for things to be other than they are. So, one's highest desire could be for the desire of things as they are. Such a desire would eventually unravel the "me, I, myself,"...in other words, act as an assassin to destroy the you that you think you are. A key to effective affirmations, is to have as few as possible,...always less than 6 or 7. Successful people remain focused on just a few things,...but keep in mind, that successful people are the most unawake people, because there is no space so to say for awake. Your affirmations above remind me of the current Korean Airways commercial http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7TOB/korean-air-all-about-you

The bodhisattva method of perceiving Other's brings the recognition that there is no One. The Center is not half of the Boundary,..Here is not half of There,...nor is One the other half of Many. The Bodhisattva method of focus on Other is to dissolve the "me." ...because it is easier to realize that there is no Other, than to realize there is no self. True compassion, from the Heart Sutra point of view, isn't that you are everyone else....true compassion is about putting honesty before everything that steps between sentient beings and their direct experience. Which should bring up the inquiry,...what is direct experience? Unless one has a useful understanding of direct experience, the nature of absolute compassion will remain misunderstood. Many people, I imagine, believe that they have direct experiences everyday. I say that is false. In fact, most would be likely to have met a single person in their lifetime who has had a direct experience. Experience born of belief, can only be experienced through the conditions of that belief.

This is hugely misinformation. The first step is to recognize the false as the false. Let me use Tolle's words, "we need to draw our attention to what is false in us, for unless we learn to recognize the false as the false, there can be no lasting transformation, and you will always be drawn back into illusion, for that is how the false perpetuates itself" Awake implies no longer being asleep or ignorant. Sure,...perhaps there are levels of wakefulness as there are levels of sleep. Parsons has obviously, to me, become aware of the reverse flow of contracting things,...what the Heart Sutra calls the emptiness of form,...but that construct is part of duality,...it is not non-duality. Parsons is holding on to beliefs like many others before him. Jim Walker once articulated that Aristotle believed in a prime mover, a god that moves the sun and moon and objects through space, and that with such a belief, one cannot possibly understand the laws of gravitation or inertia. Isaac Newton saw through that and developed a workable gravitational theory; however, his belief in absolute time prevented him from formulating a theory of relativity. Einstein, however, saw through that and thought in terms of relative time. Therefore, he formulated his famous theory of general relativity, yet his own beliefs could not accept pure randomness in subatomic physics and thus barred him from understanding the consequences of quantum mechanics. To me, what Parsons represents is the current leading edge of humanistic thought. Although disappointing to see so much ignorance in his "couchy language,"...it is very refreshing to see many belief barriers breaking down, such as the notion of relative compassion,...albeit among a very, very few as yet. Awakening is all about recognizing the false as the false. Each recognition of falseness unweaves a little more of the delusion. If Parsons can recognize that his non-dual construct is as equally as false as the "me," ...watch how quickly his "couchy language" shifts.

Sure,...according to Parsons Non-Dual construct of Duality. Many great one liners from his teachers, like Gurdjieff, Osho, and neo-Advaita,...but his conclusion appears to come from his own ego's enlightenment (and a clinging to particular non-dual beliefs for his identity). He contradicts what Buddha and Lao Tzu pointed to. His shift in direction from Contracted energy (Yang) to Expanded energy (Yin) is not the absolute emptiness of the Tao,....but merely an another aspect of the illusion of Duality. He has not even realized the nature of One,...which is also an illusion,...but fully mired in Duality. I do admire him for shifting his Contracted energy to an Expansive energy,....that is more than most do,....but that is not full liberation. He continues an attachment for things to be other than they are. By the way,...Buddha never said to give up desire,....he said let go of the desire for things to be other than they are.

I'd say that the Western idea of zero is akin to the mathematical construct of an empty set,...which isn't zero,...but a set with nothing. Prajnaparamita is suggesting, and correctly so, that zero is synonymous with absolute Wholeness. Westerners, and even Easterners, misinterpret this as everything, aka., all phenomena, is within Wholeness. In absolute reality, Wholeness is beyond all phenomena,...which is to say, no phenomena is within Wholeness. The is no "me" in Wholeness. Buddha suggested that Wholeness is accessed through the heart. One cannot access the heart with baggage of beliefs. Which is why no Christian, Muslim or Jew can access the heart. "The way is not in the sky. The way is in the heart." Buddha Wholeness is beyond the sum of opposites,...the sum of all opposites is their dissolution,...and that is the threshold of Wholeness. When Buddha or Lao Tzu was referring to the highest vision able of "seeing things as they are," how many times must they imply that all phenomena is impermanent, and does not exist. Exist literally means to stand alone. No phenomena stands alone. Or,...we could say, all phenomena is false. Truth contains no falseness. Thus there cannot be any phenomena in truth. We nevertheless, treat relative reality as if it were real. Buddhas purportedly said (Bukkyo Dendo Kyokai), "A wise man, recognizing that the world is but an illusion, does not act as if it is real."

You mean the realization that the there is no "me?" Those documented as having experienced the liberation of their human-ness, all appear to have been on a course for such liberation or dissolution of their me....and then it randomly happened one day. Could it randomly happen for someone uninterested in truth? IMO...not only would be rare,...but if it occurred, they would quickly identify it with their belief system, thus cancelling out the liberating experience as if it did not occur. A question could be,....who actually unweaves their attachment to separateness? I agree with Jed McKenna....mostly, only those who cannot not do anything else:

Very agreeable to the idea of Parsons expressing a "less egoic personality." I'd love to see how open he'd be with discussing his concepts about Wholeness, the nature of Zero, insistence of an ineffable, etc., beyond his belief in a beloved, energy, and other relative constructs.

If this is moved to the General Forum, my responses/interaction will cease. The General Forum, from my experience, cannot handle an honest discussion on this topic...(past General threads prove that,...it does not, IMO, need to be proved again). As for Tony Parsons,...his level of understanding is refreshing, but far from truth,...which implies he really doesn't understand a single truth, but that through his life long acquisition of knowledge (Gurdjieff, Osho, neo-advaita) has pushed the envelop of ego enlightenment,..which for him offers that there is no "me," while maintaining that the me is within the Whole. He is correct about the focus of contracted energy (Yang), but insists that a change to expansion of energy (Yin) merges with the Whole. As Lao Tzu would say using today's words,...there is no Ying or Yin (energy) in Wholeness. Parsons argues that within Everything is Nothing. This is a very false idea, promoted by those who have not let go of their "me." Although Yang and Yin effect its motion from the Tao, there is no Tao within Yang or Yin,...nor is there Tao within the One. Wholeness is beyond the sum of opposites. The sum of opposites is the cancellation of all Yang and Yin. The dissolution of Yang and Yin is simultaneously the dissolution of the One. There is no One without the Many,...like there is no Center without a Boundary, or a Here without a There. It is great to shift contracted energy for expanded energy,...however, there is no energy in the Tao. Energy is about the "me." The contracted me shifting to an expanded me, does not dissolve the me. If Parsons narrated his dialogue as the calculated stepping stone it is, rather that what it is. He has shown no indication of having experienced the way things are (beyond the relative).

The words that came from Mr Parsons mouth in the video in the top post are these: "the only compassion is that which destroys the illusion of separation" Hope that helps clarify the title of this thread.

You needn't remind anyone of that Marblehead,...and I did specify the General Forum,...which may have been 3-4 years ago...quite sure you were not in those threads. As said though,...it was quite refreshing, after many years,...since I was posting on SpiritWeb back in the last century, that someone realized compassion is actually that which is intolerant of everything that steps between a person and their direct experience. In today's SE Asia news, Westerners are bullying the Buddhists in Myanmar for being Intolerant of Religion. Real compassion is intolerant of all belief systems. Unfortunately, as Sophocles said, "What people believe [commonly] prevails over the truth.”

Too bad you ceased watching,...perhaps you should cease coming to TTB also,...there are far more "bursts of ego" here, than in that interview. The point is taken regarding your predisposition of "have you? where from?" Ashame you were not there to ask what you assumed. I saw nothing in the gentlemen's response suggesting your view. However....it was a good question...."have you? where from?" Very, very few talk about the truth,...99% are just selling you a belief system. As Jed McKenna correctly said, "99.9% of the World's so-called wisdom, East and West, for the purposes of awakening, is about as useful as a glass of warm spit with a hair in it." Anyway....was my first time hearing this Tony Parsons,...his level of truth realization is refreshing,...in a world where ignorance dominates. Would not advance that he is an awakened being,...but certainly on a great path. If he'd just let go of some of his beliefs, like babbling that the truth is indescribable,...reminds of a saying attributed to Buddha....that he discovered something profound and luminous beyond all concepts. He tried to communicate that something with words, but few understood. Buddha did not say it was indescribable....but that only a few could understand. To preach that it is indescribable is a disservice. Speaking to a 6th century BCE audience, Lao Tzu may have said, "the Tao that can be told of is not the eternal Tao"....and then proceeded to describe the Tao, mostly by way of that which it is not. As I cannot think as a Jen of 2600 years ago, I must not assume ancient texts point to the same thing the words of today point to. Of course, the Tao that can be told or described is not the Tao,...but that does not imply that the Tao cannot be pointed to through words. Lao Tzu said, "The Tao gives rise to all form, yet is has no form of its own." Lao Tzu is describing the Tao.

That's a good Off-Topic....Consciousness does not exist time. Definitely not something for the General Forums. The statement is absolutely true. Consciousness does not exist in time. The implications for ego,...overwhelming. There is no present in time,...there is no (real) consciousness in time. Of course,...ego thinks, therefore it is. But isn't thinking always and irrefutably in the past.> Ever heard of anyone thinking, seeing, tasting, touching, smelling, hearing...in the present? No! To get such a dialogue going,...what does Buddhism say about it? And the true mind? 　 The Bodhisattva of Compassion Kuan Yin (Avalokitesvara) dialogue with Buddha on realizing the Way Things Are, and the True Mind, as told in the Shurangama Sutra: "The sea of enlightenment in its nature is perfect and clear. Complete, distinct Bodhi is its miraculous source. But when basic brightness shone so that objects appeared, With objects' existence, the nature's brilliance faded. Confusion about falseness brings about emptiness. Relying on emptiness, worlds coming into being. Thoughts settle, forming countries. Consciousness becomes beings. The emptiness created within great enlightenment, Is like a single bubble in all the sea. Beings subject to outflows and lands like fine dust motes, All emerge out of empty space. Just as the bubble bursts, so too, space never existed. How much the less the three states of being! Returning to the source, the nature is not two. Many are the entrances through expedients; The sagely nature permeates them all. Whether compliant or adverse, all situations are expedient. Those who initially resolve to enter Samadhi, Progress slow or fast according to the method selected. Forms are defiled objects created from thought. They cannot be discerned by the essence of mind. How can something not clearly discernible Be used to gain perfect penetration? In sounds, language is intermingled. But the meaning in a word, a name, a phrase, In such that no single one can included them all. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? Awareness of smells comes through contact with them. Apart from them, one does not know that they exist. Since sensation of them is not constant, How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? Flavors are not to us fundamental by nature. They only exist when there is something to taste. Since this sensation is not perpetual, How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? Touch becomes clear only when something is touched. Without an object there can be no contact. Since contact and separation fluctuate, How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? Dharmas are know as internal defiling dust. Reckoned as defiling dust, they are certainly sense objects. Involvement of subject and object cannot be pervasive; How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? Although seeing itself is lucid and penetrating, Clearly discerning in front, it cannot discern behind. Ever reaching only half the four directions, How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? The nose's breath penetrates in and out. But in the rests between there is no air. These interruptions render it inconsistent. How can that be used perfect penetration? The tongue is not an organ without a function; Flavors form the source of its sensation. When flavors cease, it knows nothing at all. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? It is the same for the body as for objects of touch. Neither can be regarded as a perfect awareness. With defined and limited invisible divisions, How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? Mental knowledge is a mass of deliberating. What it perceives is never profound insight. Unable to get beyond reflection and thought, How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? The seeing-consciousness combines three aspects. Probe its origin: it has no appearance. Since its very substance is variable, How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? The essence of hearing penetrates the ten directions, For those who have already developed great causes, Those of initial resolve cannot enter this way. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? Reflecting on the nose is a provisional method. It only serves to gather in and settle the mind. Once settled, the mind is simply still. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? Those of former accomplishment enlightened by Speaking Dharma through the medium of language, But since words and phrases are not free of outflows, How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? Refraining from transgressions only controls the body. For one lacking a body, there is nothing to restrain. Since its source is not all-pervasive, How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? Spiritual penetrations are based on past causes. What connection have they with distinguishing dharmas? Conditioned thought is not apart from things. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? One may contemplate the nature of earth, But it is firm and solid, not penetrable. Whatever is conditioned is not the sagely nature. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? One may contemplate the nature of water, But such mental reflection is not the true and real. This state of suchness is not an enlightened view. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? One may contemplate the nature of fire, But admitting dislike is not true renunciation. This expedient cannot be one for beginners. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? One may contemplate the nature of wind, But movement and stillness are not non-dual. Duality cannot bring highest enlightenment. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? One may contemplate the nature of emptiness . But its aspect is murky and dull, lacking awareness. Whatever is unaware is different from Bodhi. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? One may contemplate the nature of consciousness; Yet one is regarding a consciousness that is not eternal. Even the thought of it is empty and false. How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? All activities are impermanent; So, too, mindfulness has its origin in arising and ceasing. Since at any given time the factors propelling cause and effect differ, How can that be used to reach perfect penetration? I now inform the Bhagavan, The Buddha appearing in the Saha world: In this land the true substance of teaching Resides in hearing the sounds purely. If one wants to attain Samadhi, Hearing is the best way to enter. Apart from suffering, liberation is found. How excellent is he who contemplates the world's sounds! Throughout eons as numerous as Ganges' sands. He enters Buddhalands as many as fine dust motes. Obtaining great power of self-mastery, He bestows fearlessness on living beings. Wonderful is the sound of Contemplator of the World's Sounds, A pure sound, like the ocean's roar. He saves the world and brings peace to all within it. He has transcended the world, and his attainment is eternal. I now evaluate, Tathagata, What the Contemplator of Sounds has just explained: Consider someone in a quiet place, who, When drums are rolled throughout the ten directions, Can hear at once the sounds from all ten locations. That is actual true perfection. The eyes cannot see through solid forms. The mouth and the nose are much the same. The body registers awareness only through contact. The mind, tangled in thoughts, lacks clear connections. Sounds can be heard even through solid walls. The ears can listen to things both near and far. None of the other five organs can match this. It, then, is penetrating true and real. The nature of sounds is based in motion and stillness. One hears according to whether there is sound. With no sound, there is said to be no hearing. But this does not mean that the hearing-nature is gone. In the absence of sound, the nature is not ended; Nor does it arise in the presence of sound. Entirely beyond arising and ceasing. It is, then, truly eternal. Ever-present, even in dream-thinking, It does not disappear when conditions and thought are gone. Enlightened, this contemplation transcends cognition, Reaching beyond both the body and the mind. Now, in the Saha world, the theory of sounds Has been proclaimed and understood. Yet beings are confused about the source of hearing. They follow sounds and so turn and flow. Ananda's power to remember was exceptional; Yet he fell prey to a deviant plot. Was it not from heeding sounds that he was nearly lost? By turning back the flow, one will be above falseness. Ananda, listen attentively: I rely upon the Buddha's mighty power, In describing to you the Vajra King, A Samadhi inconceivable that is like an illusion. It is the true mother of all Buddhas. You may hear the secret Dharma-doors Of Buddhas as numerous as atoms of universe, But without first renouncing desire and outflows, You may amass learning, and still make mistakes. You exploit learning to uphold the Buddhahood of the Buddhas. Why don't you try to hear your own hearing? Hearing does not arise spontaneously; It gets its name due to sounds. But when hearing returns and is free of sound, What does one call that which is set free? As soon as one sense-organ returns to the source, All the six are liberated. Sight and hearing are like an illusory covering. The triple realm, a vision of flowers in space. When hearing reverts, the covering of the sense-organs is gone. The defiling dust gives way to pure and perfect insight. With ultimate purity, the light is penetrating. A stillness shines and includes within it all of emptiness . Looking at the world from this point of view, Everything that happens is just like a dream. Matangi's daughter, too, is part of the dream. Who was able, then, to physically detain you? Consider a shadow puppeteer at work, Making the dolls seem as real as people. Although one sees them move about freely, They are really governed by a set of strings. Cease operating the controls and they become still. The entire illusion was never really there. The six sense-organs are also thus. At first there was one essential brightness. Which split into a six-fold combination. If but one part ceases and returns, All six functions will stop as well. Responding to a thought, defiling objects vanish, Becoming pure and wonderful perfect brightness . If there is residual defilement, one must still study. When the brightness is ultimate, one becomes a Tathagata. Ananda, and everyone in the great assembly, Turn around your mechanism for hearing. Return the hearing to hear your own nature The nature will become the supreme Way. That is what perfect penetration really means. That is the gateway entered by Buddhas as many as dust motes. That is the one path leading to Nirvana. Tathagatas of the past perfected this method. Bodhisattvas now merge with this total brightness. People of the future who study and practice Will also rely on this Dharma. Through this method I, too, have been certified. Contemplator of the World's Sounds Bodhisattva was not the only one. The Buddha, the Bhagavan, Inquired of me which expedient, Would save those in the final eon Who seek to escape the mundane world, And perfect the mind of Nirvana: The best way is to contemplate the sounds of the world. All the other kinds of expedients Require the stateliness and sacrosanctity of the Buddha. In some cases they bring immediate transcendence, But they are not the customary means of practice, Spoken for those of shallow and deep roots alike. I bow to the Tathagatas and the Tripitaka And to those inconceivable Ones with no outflows, Trusting they will aid those in the future, So that no one will doubt this method. It is an expedient easy to master; an appropriate teaching for Ananda And for those floundering in the final age. They should use the ear organ to cultivate A perfect penetration surpassing all others That is the way to the true mind."

Time is a measurement of motion,...there is no motion in the present, instant, or now. All divided light (entire electromagnetic field) is in the past. All motion is 186K mps slower than the stillness of Undivided Light. Divided Light really does not exist,...nor does motion, energy, mass, or time. One cannot experience consciousness in time. If they could, Taoism and Buddhism would be a lie.

"As soon as one sense-organ returns to the source, All the six are liberated." Avalokitesvara When one, thus all 6 are liberated, the promise of Buddhism is that consciousness is uncovered. The consciousness to recognize things as they are, is always unrealized by the 6 senses. The 6 senses are within time. There is no time in the present....it's impossible. We live in a time when real Buddhism is ungnown. Real Buddhism has gone terma. This is an age of Private Buddha's (Pratyekabuddha).

No....it impossible for the present, the Now, or instant to exist in time. Few people are aware of the world that surrounds them, but only the world that surrounded them Thus,...why this is a good Off-Topic,...because it would surely upset the flow of the General Forum Most men would kill the truth if truth would kill their religion.--Lemuel K. Washburn

Thanks for the welcome backs. Didn't realize I was gone for so long.

According to the Prajnaparamita's, consciousness does not exist in the universe (aka duality). Science can only observe motion. There is no consciousness in motion. The perception of consciousness in motion is a simulation,...perhaps a dream of consciousness. Hawking's has said, their is no time,...and thus no singularity, no big bang, no creation, nor a creator. For most, science is more diversion, than serious path. The only way to understand Buddhism and Taoism,...is to let go of physical 6 senses. "the ego is a monkey catapulting through the jungle; totally fascinated by the realm of the senses....if anyone threaten it, it actually fears for its life. Let this monkey go. Let the senses go...." Lao Tzu 　 "the only way to understand the Tao is to directly experience it." Lao Tzu It is impossible to has a direct experience through the 6 senses,...all experience born of the 6 senses can only be experienced through the conditions of the 6 senses. Prajnaparamita points to a 7th and higher levels, which, according to alleged enlightened beings, is the only way to see things as they are. A short version of this is the Heart Sutra. If the Heart Sutra is untrue,...then the whole of Buddhism and Taoism is untrue. Thus, this would be a much better place to begin than science (aka sciential mind).

The past is within time....this topic is about being in the present. I arrived in Philadelphia 2 days ago,...but already found a free ride to Germany,...so I may be heading back,...I haven't got to Vulture Peak yet.

Compassion in the Pit? Actually, this may be the only place on TTB where compassion can be discussed honestly,...the crap folder. "Compassion is not so much feeling sorry for somebody, feeling that you are in a better place and somebody is in a worse place. Compassion is not having any hesitation to reflect your light on things. As light has no hesitation, no inhibition about reflecting on things, it does not discriminate whether to reflect on a pile of shit or on a pile of rock or on a pile of diamonds. It reflects on everything it faces." Chögyam Trungpa Nearly all faith-based folks take great offense with that definition of compassion, and thus the subject cannot really be discussed in a general forum, amid all the negative feedback of those seeking to defend their various faiths. But in the Pit,...away from the sens-abilities of a majority that demand their beliefs not be discussed, looked at, or critiqued, as if they were their beliefs,...we can perhaps shine light in places that are traditionally kept in the dark by our anti-society. IMO, the best way to discuss compassion is by way of what it is not. Eckhart Tolle said "we need to draw our attention to what is false in us, for unless we learn to recognize the false as the false, there can be no lasting transformation, and you will always be drawn back into illusion, for that is how the false perpetuates itself" Such is the best, and often only way to breakthrough to truth. Truth is uncovered through the realization of the false. To realize the false, we do not discriminate whether to reflect on a pile of shit or on a pile of rock or on a pile of diamonds. However, shining light specifically on the shit (aka crap) will set (those able to do so) free,...in a much shorter time.

Maybe,...depends on how it is left alone. Consider that at least 84% Americans are in a deep sleep,...thus their world view pivots upon that deep sleep, which does not recognize any sort of higher-consciousness or truth realization. Those who have realized a level of higher-consciousness or truth realization, are treated as abnormal. In other words,...if confusion negates non-confusion, these subjects should not be left alone.

“If your purpose is to medicate dukkha (suffering),...then meditate. If your wish is bodhi,...practice absolute bodhicitta.” A Buddhist saying.