Vmarco

Yes,...during the coming Year of the Snake, I'm planning on spending about 13 Moons in Asia,...in non-Abrahamic areas. "To establish peace, love, and a connection with spirituality in the world, we need a profound shift in our everyday consciousness that can be facilitated through a "natural calendar" one based on natural time. The CRFC (Calendar Reform for the Future of Civilization) pointed out that "by rational discourse and common sense, it has been determined that the Gregorian calendar does not represent a true or accurate standard of measure or belong to any systematic science of time, and hence, is worthy of reform." That is to say, as the sword is an anachronism in modern warfare, the Gregorian calendar is, as Rick McCarty says, "an anachronistic scheme serving the interests of men in a pre-scientific, theocratic society with a feudal economy." The Christian calendar encourages neither spirituality nor a birthing of human beingness. It stimulates unrest, disempowerment, conflict, unrighteous intolerance, and violence. A natural calendar based on the natural rhythms of earth and our relationship within the universe would promptly change everything. Our activities would ensue through an atmosphere of connectivity, versus an environment that arose from spiritually limiting Aristotelian logic and dissynchronizing theocratic beliefs." VMarco

What a sour, knowledge-driven post; void of any meaning contribution. Yes,...please use "ignore function." When 5th Century BCE Greeks spoke of Higher Mind, they used the word Thymos, and pointed to what is called the Heart chakra at the chest,....as for Lower Mind, it was called Psyche, and arose from the grey-goo in the head. 'Gnothi Seauton', as inscribed over the portico of the Temple at Delphi, means Gnow Thyself, not Know Thyself. In other words, those who say they know, most likely do not Gnow. Some cultures like the Egyptian and Maya of Mesoamerica, thought so lowly of the brain, or sciential mind, that before burials it was sucked out and discarded, whereas the heart was treasured. Today’s scientially and sentient minded may think such a philosophy as primitive, but keep in mind that the Egyptians for example were quite aware of the brain. Evidence clearly shows that the Egyptians had an intimate knowledge of brain functions, for instance that the left cerebral hemisphere controls the right side of the body. As was the case with the Tantrika and Vajrayana in Asia, and the Maya of Mesoamerica, Egyptians seemed to have been aware that the brain is the vessel for the lowest consciousness, whereas from the heart arose the highest consciousness. Ancient cultures appear to have discarded the brain because they had a higher awareness of self, a non-ego self, that has been quite veiled in the contemporary cultures of the last few millennium. Knowledge proceeds through what Buddha called the five skandhas or Aggregates, which includes sensual perceptions and conditioned experience by way of the psyche or personal consciousness. To know is to comprehend noologically, through intellect-based thought. Gnowledge is to understand through metasensory awareness and unconditioned experience through the thymos or impersonal consciousness. To gnow is to understand by way of gnosis or Right Discernment. Gnowledge, Prajna, Bodhi, and Tao are feminine nouns. Although wisdom is said to be a feminine (Yin) noun, the word, as defined, only points to the masculine (Yang),..wisdom literally means knowledge accumulated through philosophic or scientific learning. Knowledge is fully masculine (Yang). Knowledge is of, and fully dedicated to, the skandhas (form, senses, perception, thinking, and the knowledge of that thinking). Thinking is always (irrefutably) in the past. If you reduce knowledge to its lowest common denominator, knowledge is always in the past. It arises from the skandhas, and can only be part of the skandhas. Gnowledge on the other hand, arises from the present,...although it is not itself the present. For an example,...Know god, no peace; Gnow peace, no god.

Another Christian New Years,...another year that the Christian calendar has underminded, infiltrated, suppressed humanity's natural connection with nature, thus keeping Yin/Yang, and the Tao obscure.

Actually, that is Those Who Know Do Not Gnow.

You don't have to read my books to access the Language of the Heart. The Heart Sutra points the way,...get beyond the emptiness of your sentient beingness. Uncover a single truth,...and you will certainly be aware of what the Language of the Heart (Higher Mind) is, and not is. The Language of the Heart pivots upon the why things are,...which is not the way sentient beings want things to be. The first Turn of the Wheel of Dharma occurred when Buddha stated, in essense, that suffering is a consequence of the desire for things to be other than they are. EVERYTHING viewed by the 6 senses are other than the way things are. Understandably, the Chief Feature, or what people like best about themselves, is their sentient beingness. Just read Seth Ananda's post,...he advocates complete sentient beingness. Yet, both the Buddhism and Daoism of Sakyamuni and Lao-zu says the opposite. All you require to understand that Sakyamuni and Lao-zu spoke the truth, is to uncover a single truth. Doesn't matter if it's "there is no present in time," or another,...simply reduce something down to truth. And then, my posts will come alive as it were, for you,...Heart Joy,...not an imagined cerebral joy.

Those are quite necessary points to reduce before responding to the question "cultivation without ideology." What is ideology? Yes, it is a belief. Are all belief bad? No,...but all beliefs are false. From my point of view, the only useful beliefs are those that are understood to be false. In other words, to use a belief as a tool, fully acknowledging its limitation. Thus, a useful tool is one that precipitates Un-cultivating, and effortlessly dissolves upon that un-cultivating. An absolute bodhicitta ideological proverb say, FIND THE CONSCIOUSNESS YOU HAD BEFORE YOU WERE BORN,...your Unborn Awareness. Once uncovered, the ideology instantly dissolves. The Tao Te Ching says, the door (or gateway/threshold) to wisdom and enlightenment is by way of the mystic feminine. The Mystic Feminine is as an ideology,...not one that cultivates, but un-cultivates. The mystic feminine cools, spirals out, discharges, conducts, radiates, diverges, exhales, disintegrates, unwinds. Thus, directly opposing the question "cultivating without ideology." IMO, one cannot cultivate without ideology,...cultivation is a process of accumulating delusion, to sustain delusion,..sort of how wisdom is an accumulation of knowledge, that is, stored memories, which arise from the 6 senses, which propagate delusion. "the ego is a monkey catapulting through the jungle; totally fascinated by the realm of the senses....if anyone threaten it, it actually fears for its life. Let this monkey go. Let the [6] senses go." Lao-zu

A Buddhist story tells of a student who wished to make an offering to Siddhartha Gautama and so brought a flowering branch to a gathering. As the pupil approached, Siddhartha said to him, "Throw it away." Quickly, thinking he was supposed to discard the branch, the pupil threw it away. Yet Siddhartha again said, "Throw it away." The student could not comprehend what he was supposed to do. Siddhartha then said, "Throw yourself away." And the novice stood there confounded, pondering how he could throw himself away. If the student had his "I am" before his "i think," there would not have been a reason to "throw it away." Buddhists traditionally have a more cardio-centric, heart-centered society, in contrast to the Western cerebro-centric, brain-centered social conditioning. Even so, few on any continent seem willing to let go of who they think they are to realize who they actually are. People fear their light. The Buddha Siddhartha reportedly said, "Your worst enemy cannot harm you as much as your own thoughts." The organ of thinking is call the 6th sense of the sentient being.

That's an ego perception,...the Short Path is not cerebral. What many espouse to be Heart-centered is not,..theirs is an appeasing, moderating, coddling aspect of the head and "feel-good" sentience. Heart-Mind consciousness appears heady to sentient beings because of the non-belief driven vocabulary of the Heart-centric. It is a vocabulary of honesty, which is quite frightening to heady people. An example would the the mass-murderer Paul of Tarsus, who refashioned gnowledge, that he could not comprehend, into a religion knowledge-based religion. As for the 12 Steps,...this is a touchy subject for Long Pathers, and all 12 Steppers are Long Pathers. I call it the delusion of Positive-Negativism,...a nasty cerebral trap. 9 out of 12 of the steps are direct lies, while the other 3 cannot be honestly accomplished due to the falsity of the rest. The 12 Steps are typical of Long Path belief systems. The Short Path takes note of the falsity of everything it comes in contact with,...its goal is that of full truth realization. Paul Brunton's Notebook can be helpful if you're interested in the differences between the Long Path and Short Path. Pre-14th Century Kagyu, which means the Fourth Stream or Way, is a Short Path. Another Fourth Way School is associated with GI Gurdjieff; who although flexible and evolving in his teaching, most followers of the so-called Gurdjieff/Ouspensky work believe that the Fourth Way cannot be communicated accurately outside of a recognized Gurdjieff Foundation school. Thus today's Fourth Way is a closed, inner orthodoxy, more about the preferences and practices of its followers than the transmission of Gurdjieff's ideas, like replacing inner considering with external considering. The Foundation however, through affairs such as the therapeutic society cheapening the meaning of the enneagram, created a narrow-minded fellowship to stem further dilution. But that action has also attracted an inflexible, unevolving, canonical membership. That might not be so bad, except that P.D. Ouspensky's unenlightened, intellectual philosophy often overrides Gurdjieff's intent. That is to say, Ouspensky never got it. Which is why Gurdjieff decided on teaching self-remembering and the wisdom of the Fourth Way through movements. And Ouspensky ran. Gurdjieff students Orage and Nott, did not think that Ouspensky "got it". Surely, by Gurdjieff's own admission, Ouspensky "miraculously" had it intellectually correct, but he did not understand the true nature of the Fourth Way. 　 In a nutshell,...Tilopa realized Mahanirvana Tantra when the seed that he was grinding revealed to him the inverse flow of forward moving things, thereby actualizing liberation in one lifetime, the fourth stream of mastery. He called this fourth way Kagyu, the Short Path of Vajra. The teachings of the lineages of Tilopa, especially those of the Kagyudpas Red Hats, bear much similarity to the teachings of the twentieth-century mystic G. I. Gurdjieff. The Fourth Way, by his own admission, was imparted to Gurdjieff in Central Asia, where lamasteries taught the Fourth Stream through mahamudras or teachings of self-remembering. Like the mahamudras, Gurdjieff’s intent (not to be confused with P. D. Ouspensky’s philosophy) was a Fourth Way that taught what is not the way. Gurdjieff himself purportedly said that he once wore the red robes, indicating more than a mere short stay with the "bees" who gathered and preserved the honey of wisdom. Thus the Fourth Way is a Western lineage of Tilopa’s transmission, one overlaid with Middle Eastern Sufi influences of Gurdjieff’s youth. Many who seek wisdom, like Gurdjieff, understand that like bees, nectar is gathered from many flowers. Experience born of belief can only be experienced through the condition of that belief,...thus, how many people actually ever have an authentic experience? If one wants to discuss law, they learn the language of law,...if astrology, then the language of astrology,...if medicine or botony, then the language of medine or botony, But for some reason, people think they can engage in an intelligible conversation about Heart-Mind without even the basics of the language of Heart-Mind,...when in truth, the language of Heart-Mind is even more specific than law, astrology, medicine and botony combined, because such a discussion is foreign to the accumulated knowledge of mundane experience.

Your point is taken,...a bit of a tricky subject, this need stuff. Bodhisattva respond to the need for sentient beings to be liberated,...but do they really need liberation? What if Tea Party fascists gained an even harsher control over people,...there would be no need for liberation at all. Do we need the awareness to identify the false as the false,...or would it be better the believe facts are stupid things? I see belief as that which denies, disconnects, suppresses, disempowers, etc. To me, the need for an impeccable ally would be defined as a belief,...but more as a tool to unravel belief,...a belief assassin. My "trapper" arose from experiences particular to me,...yet wouldn't deny that many years working with Fourth Way personalities were important to the research. Fourth Way, as in the book In Search of the Miraculous.

Books! The above was from Full Spectrum Consciousness,...Putting the I Am before the i think. http://www.amazon.com/Full-Spectrum-Consciousness-J-V-Marco/dp/1425118240/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356808262&sr=1-1&keywords=full+spectrum+consciousness Several had said that FSC is easier to comprehend by first reading Exploring Freethought Magick http://www.amazon.com/MC-sup2-%253c-Exploring-Freethought/dp/1425136486/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1356808345&sr=1-1&keywords=exploring+freethought+magick However, I'm so not in the mainstream that I'd recommend books like Karl Brunnholzl The Heart Attack Sutra,... Hua Hu Ching,...or Russell's New Concept of the Universe, etc.

Recapitulation is an awesome experience. However, keep in mind, on the Short Path it is fully unnecessary, as karma has no foundation in reality. And yet, for slow realizers like myself, it took years of attentive and intentive observation, including surrender and recapitualtion, to uncover it.

Sorry about that,...whenever I don't quote a source, it is mine. The following, C&Ped from above, is copyrighted to VMarco, from a 2007 book,...although actually written, for the most part, in the 1980's. "As most, I had been reared to be false,...to be led by an imagined ego-self, which covers our core essence with layers of beliefs, predispositions, and imitations. In so doing, our authentic, impeccable selves are concealed, repressed, and obfuscated. We cannot, if we chance upon a wish to awaken, deny these layers, for to deny them is to affirm them. To resist them is to assist them. We must nonetheless devise a method for removing these gathered garments that obscure our light and keep the truth of us from being gnown. I was already in my thirties before initiating the process of shedding them. This method of unveiling my light came by way of the art of trapping. I had so many beliefs, and realized that I could not honestly say what an "I am" was. Indeed, by then, I had conscioiusly experienced changeless, undivided light, for example during my 1974 conscious death experience and in a continuum of other effortlessly realized happenings through the years. As such, I no longer had much fear of being present in the presence of my presence, and as such I did not hesitate to establish within myself a trapper, that is, a surrogate I am who would work unfailingly to peel back the layers of ego’s beliefs. Whereas energy is a force that seeks union with undivided light, ego is a force that strives to conceal light. The ego force begets personalities and subpersonalities for each belief, memory, and thought with which we identify. These myriad personalities have their own identity or I; what G. I. Gurdjieff called "little i’s." An ordinary, object-ive-orientated person believes that he or she is one I, a single self whose life pivots upon a complete personality, instead of a fragmented personality. Consider the last time someone asked you or you asked someone to do something and either you or they forgot. Did you or they really forget, or is forgetfulness just an example of one personality or "little i" not telling another "i" or group of allied i’s to accomplish a task? Suppose I ask someone to meet me at noon, and that person agrees. However, if that person doesn’t leave a memo with the personality that needs to be active to show up at noon, there is a perception of "Oh, I forgot." Only fragmented personalities forget. The trapper, in the course of its art, exposes the various ego-selves, little i’s and fragmented personalities. This employed surrogate ultimately oversees all thoughts, feelings, and mechanical impulses. Hunting beliefs and the little i’s associated with them, even for those who have progressed in their continuum of awakenings, is often a slow process that gives the i’s, through ego’s force, time to align and ally with other beliefs for their protection. Hunting beliefs is similar to pursuing guinea fowl. If one is disciplined enough to remain vigilant and see a personality group, then when that personality group is approached, the flock leaves the least of its own as a sacrifice, while the others move out of the way, out of the line of fire, thus protecting the core belief of that group. Trapping, however, is a twenty-four-hour-a-day unimpeded art that can catch whole flocks of beliefs before they become aware of a threat to their falsity. Trapping is a refined art, an exacting science, and an auspicious tool to manage the human condition by delving into all aspects of our inner and outer environment. The inherent nature of a trapper is to be keen and undivided in its task to locate and harvest beliefs. The trapper understands that it is only a surrogate I, not a "real I," and therein lies its effectiveness. The sensory-driven beliefs, memories, and anticipations of ego are its quarry. As such, the trapper quickly realizes that both the intellect, that is, the sciential mind, and the body are undependable, as long as the ego-self governs body and mind to sustain itself. When the ego-self is sufficiently transcended through the surrogate’s work, the undivided self or thoughtless I am is uncovered. There is still thinking, but the thinking, as the ego, becomes an ally of the undivided self. At that level of transcendence or disrobing of the beliefs of the ego-self, duality is more readily seen as one thing cyclically relating with itself, the outbreath and inbreath, negative and positive, that and this, of the illusory reality of oneness. Cold moist yin compresses. That compression warms into heated yang, which then expands back into cold. Nonetheless, this integral, moving, Tao-like cycle is not an expression of wholeness, but a one-based activity around the whole. When we become present in our form, the reflection of source, which is around the whole, reveals for us an understanding of the whole. The way to the whole is by letting go of division, nor by attempting to unify it. Unification of positives and negatives is a human-centric delusion. The Mahasiddhas never advocated oneness or a fraternity of opposites; they said that ego attachments, such as oneness, conceal enlightenment. Duality is an illusion, not two lost halves of a whole. The surrogate I is not looking for cause in the positive–negative electrodynamic universal pulse. Instead, it encourages the stilling of the body’s neural networks to reduce the electric influences on perception. Cause is a perceptual manifestation of the ego-self through a stimulated sciential intellect that views objects as outside itself. Electroencephalgraphic studies with freethought-type meditators have shown that reduced activity in the parietal lobes encourages a liberation from duality’s Tonal reality by decreasing identification with object-ivity’s boundaries. What the surrogate observes from a thymos- or heart-centered orientation is the effects of cause. Through that orientation, presence is revealed, not nothing or every "thing," but wholeness, where nothing unreal exists. At this arrival, perhaps even sooner, the surrogate I dissolves. For at the threshold of absolute presence, reality is realized, and consequently, the authentic I am is uncovered. The surrogate has completed its job. Presence transcends the Greek concept of a one-based, natural number belief system, which the Greeks used to find solutions to all their questions. For those in Aristotelian times, like many of today’s self-proclaimed priests of science, even the mention of absolute presence incures ostracism. Look what the Greeks did to Hippasus in the fifth century BCE for expounding on irrational numbers: they killed him." VMarco, 2007

There is an underlying conflicting message above,...a desire for impeccability, and a desire to honor beliefs,...two incompatable quests. Belief believes, by way of erronous tonal-based senses, that there is a work to be done in a certain sequence,...as if Tonal can actually "act" or "do" anything. The so-called work of the Tonal is never done, because it never began,...the Tonal cannot act,...it reacts,...like Seth Ananda. What you need is an impeccable Ally,...to work on your imagined repressed history that is obscuring the uncovering of impeccability. What would such an impeccable Ally look like? As most, I had been reared to be false,...to be led by an imagined ego-self, which covers our core essence with layers of beliefs, predispositions, and imitations. In so doing, our authentic, impeccable selves are concealed, repressed, and obfuscated. We cannot, if we chance upon a wish to awaken, deny these layers, for to deny them is to affirm them. To resist them is to assist them. We must nonetheless devise a method for removing these gathered garments that obscure our light and keep the truth of us from being gnown. I was already in my thirties before initiating the process of shedding them. This method of unveiling my light came by way of the art of trapping. I had so many beliefs, and realized that I could not honestly say what an "I am" was. Indeed, by then, I had conscioiusly experienced changeless, undivided light, for example during my 1974 conscious death experience and in a continuum of other effortlessly realized happenings through the years. As such, I no longer had much fear of being present in the presence of my presence, and as such I did not hesitate to establish within myself a trapper, that is, a surrogate I am who would work unfailingly to peel back the layers of ego’s beliefs. Whereas energy is a force that seeks union with undivided light, ego is a force that strives to conceal light. The ego force begets personalities and subpersonalities for each belief, memory, and thought with which we identify. These myriad personalities have their own identity or I; what G. I. Gurdjieff called "little i’s." An ordinary, object-ive-orientated person believes that he or she is one I, a single self whose life pivots upon a complete personality, instead of a fragmented personality. Consider the last time someone asked you or you asked someone to do something and either you or they forgot. Did you or they really forget, or is forgetfulness just an example of one personality or "little i" not telling another "i" or group of allied i’s to accomplish a task? Suppose I ask someone to meet me at noon, and that person agrees. However, if that person doesn’t leave a memo with the personality that needs to be active to show up at noon, there is a perception of "Oh, I forgot." Only fragmented personalities forget. The trapper, in the course of its art, exposes the various ego-selves, little i’s and fragmented personalities. This employed surrogate ultimately oversees all thoughts, feelings, and mechanical impulses. Hunting beliefs and the little i’s associated with them, even for those who have progressed in their continuum of awakenings, is often a slow process that gives the i’s, through ego’s force, time to align and ally with other beliefs for their protection. Hunting beliefs is similar to pursuing guinea fowl. If one is disciplined enough to remain vigilant and see a personality group, then when that personality group is approached, the flock leaves the least of its own as a sacrifice, while the others move out of the way, out of the line of fire, thus protecting the core belief of that group. Trapping, however, is a twenty-four-hour-a-day unimpeded art that can catch whole flocks of beliefs before they become aware of a threat to their falsity. Trapping is a refined art, an exacting science, and an auspicious tool to manage the human condition by delving into all aspects of our inner and outer environment. The inherent nature of a trapper is to be keen and undivided in its task to locate and harvest beliefs. The trapper understands that it is only a surrogate I, not a "real I," and therein lies its effectiveness. The sensory-driven beliefs, memories, and anticipations of ego are its quarry. As such, the trapper quickly realizes that both the intellect, that is, the sciential mind, and the body are undependable, as long as the ego-self governs body and mind to sustain itself. When the ego-self is sufficiently transcended through the surrogate’s work, the undivided self or thoughtless I am is uncovered. There is still thinking, but the thinking, as the ego, becomes an ally of the undivided self. At that level of transcendence or disrobing of the beliefs of the ego-self, duality is more readily seen as one thing cyclically relating with itself, the outbreath and inbreath, negative and positive, that and this, of the illusory reality of oneness. Cold moist yin compresses. That compression warms into heated yang, which then expands back into cold. Nonetheless, this integral, moving, Tao-like cycle is not an expression of wholeness, but a one-based activity around the whole. When we become present in our form, the reflection of source, which is around the whole, reveals for us an understanding of the whole. The way to the whole is by letting go of division, nor by attempting to unify it. Unification of positives and negatives is a human-centric delusion. The Mahasiddhas never advocated oneness or a fraternity of opposites; they said that ego attachments, such as oneness, conceal enlightenment. Duality is an illusion, not two lost halves of a whole. The surrogate I is not looking for cause in the positive–negative electrodynamic universal pulse. Instead, it encourages the stilling of the body’s neural networks to reduce the electric influences on perception. Cause is a perceptual manifestation of the ego-self through a stimulated sciential intellect that views objects as outside itself. Electroencephalgraphic studies with freethought-type meditators have shown that reduced activity in the parietal lobes encourages a liberation from duality’s Tonal reality by decreasing identification with object-ivity’s boundaries. What the surrogate observes from a thymos- or heart-centered orientation is the effects of cause. Through that orientation, presence is revealed, not nothing or every "thing," but wholeness, where nothing unreal exists. At this arrival, perhaps even sooner, the surrogate I dissolves. For at the threshold of absolute presence, reality is realized, and consequently, the authentic I am is uncovered. The surrogate has completed its job. Presence transcends the Greek concept of a one-based, natural number belief system, which the Greeks used to find solutions to all their questions. For those in Aristotelian times, like many of today’s self-proclaimed priests of science, even the mention of absolute presence incures ostracism. Look what the Greeks did to Hippasus in the fifth century BCE for expounding on irrational numbers: they killed him.

Your analness is understandable,...however, you should consider that my posts are on-topic,...that the subject of Tonal and Nagual go deeper than your limited object-ive view. In other words, if you for instance had a modicum of impeccability, your posts would not belch what they do. An impeccable person would not seek to discredit another out of vengence, as you do,...but dissect the message for the benefit others. This post is Tonal and Nagual in that it addresses what Tonal and Nagual is not,...that is, what the you that you think you are believes to be Tonal and Nagual. Tonal is synonymous with the relative. Most believe there are relative truths, yet where is this true, except in the relative, which is not true. A tonal person can be compared to Gurdjieff's Man #1,...a fully sentient being, obscured from reality. A nagual apprentice would be akin to Man #3,....one who uses that which is tonal to escape the prison of sentience. As Avalokitesvara said, "As soon as one sense-organ returns to the source, All the six are liberated." Seth Ananda should focus more (see post #7 by Steve) on impeccability, and understanding at one sense organ, rather than his committment to ad homineming VMarco.

In actuality, it is impossible to understand "Who you are", until you realize When you are. I'm in no way suggesting that you believe that,...beliefs will simply keep you in an ego trap. I said it is impossible,...find out if that is true. Do you understand how to uncover truth? Here's a helpful Youtube:

IMO, any expectation reduces impeccability. This is a tough one for sentient beings,...yet, until all hope (expectation) is dissolved, awakening is at best, unlikely. Unfortunately, we live in a hope-based world,...all the Abrahamic religions advocate it. Don't expect respect from anyone,...it will just keep you asleep.

Yes,....observe everything that gives you an emotional charge,...be it a color, fragrance, a personality, sound, thought, etc. Lumatrons are great for quickly disturbing core issues and engrams so they can be viewed,...did a few hundred hours myself in the 90's http://www.wellness-innovations.com/lighttherapy.pdf

The first step to honesty is letting go of beliefs. As someone said, "we need to draw our attention to what is false in us, for unless we learn to recognize the false as the false, there can be no lasting transformation, and you will always be drawn back into illusion, for that is how the false perpetuates itself" The belief that there is no honesty without humility is absurd. As Wie Wu Wie said, "humility is just a degree of pride." Personally, I would not trust a humble person as far as I could spit. There is something deviously dishonest about humble people. Nevertheless, the Sheeple have been indoctrinated to view humble folks in an admirable way,...and thus have been swayed by dishonesty to follow dishonesty to sustain ego. Humility can never rise above ego,...for humility is ego. "A Bodhisattva does not take pride in his/her work to save others, nor is their compassion calculated or contrived. They practise sincere compassion that comes from deep within, without any sense of ego or gain." diamond sutra. For Sheeple, not taking pride equals humility,....however, that is not the pridelessness of a Bodhisattva. For example, a Mahasattva neither hopes or fear,....one cannot keep hope and disspell fear. To not have one, means the other no longer is. Pride and humility are to extremes of the same delusion.

Is that encouraging,...that you see roughly 5% of my discussion as non-threating to your ego. What I see is way too much work,...besides, it is obvious that you're playing into Seth Anandas sagittarian belief delusions,...that is, forever expanding towards an almost satisfaction.

Both relative,...and absolute. Just as the Buddha or Lao-zu, could interact with the relative and be absolute. It is said to be wise to view things from the point of view of what is being observe. Such a process encourages honesty.

There is neither form nor emptiness beyond time, just as there is neither Mass or Time beyond the so-called speed of light. http://thetaobums.com/topic/19803-what-is-light/ From Light's point of view, it moves no distance, in no time, and thus has no need of speed.

Thus there is a huge rift in the discussion. Relatively speaking, a cup can be empty of water, that is, empty of something, but absolutely the cup is also empty of being a cup. If we look at the cup and water, as yang and that which is moving toward yin, this can lead us to the integration or sum of those perceived opposites. Lao-zu said, "Dualistic thinking is a sickness. Religion is a distortion. Materialism is cruel. Blind spirituality is unreal." If one believes that empty means empty of something else,...yes, perhaps it is intuitive from a dualistic or relative perspective. Lao-zu said, "If you wish to unite with the heart and mind of the Mysterious Mother, you must integrate yin and yang within and refine their fire upward." Integration of yin/yang brings their dissolution, just as the Mysterious Mother is beyond the sum of opposites. The Tao is not Yin or Yang, nor Yin/Yang,...Yin and Yang simply effect their motion from the Tao. Lao-zu said, "The Tao gives birth to One. One gives birth to yin and yang. Yin and yang give birth to all things....The Tao gives rise to all form, yet is has no form of its own." As Form is Empty and Empty is Form, The Tao also has no Emptiness. Emptiness is not something apart from phenomena,...it's the samething. All Form is perceived within time. All Form is Empty,...thus, all Emptiness is within time. There is neither Form nor Emptiness beyond time. There is no Present, Instant, or Now in time. All Form and Emptiness is in the past. The past does not exist. All Coming and Going is connected with time. The Tao neither Comes or Goes. A Tathagata neither Comes or Goes. By understanding the yin or emptiness of yang or form, one can stand as it were, upon the still fulcrum of the Tao, and cease Coming and Going,....the realization of the reverse flow of forward moving things. This cannot be realized through the 6 senses,...the 6 senses can only perceive motion,...that is, the past. Sentience is ALWAYS in the past. It is impossible to see, hear, touch, taste, smell or think in the present. The realization of Emptiness uncovers the Present.

From the point of view of the Nature of Emptiness, there is no Cause and Effect,...just Effects. A fulcrum (the Tao) does not "cause" the motion of the lever,...upon the fulcrum, the lever (duality) effects its motion.

Yes,...and his posts suggest that he still pees on himself.

Robert Ingersol was an atheist (a believer in no god) who stole the term Freethought to apply to his belief in no god. Freethought (abt 1705) is defined as being unrestrained by differences to authority, tradition or belief. Thus, an atheist freethinker is an oxymoron. There can be no happiness in samsara, because samsara is built upon the delusion of suffering. The real Father of Freethought was Sakyamuni,...who said in the Kalama Sutra, "Do not accept anything by mere tradition. . . Do not accept anything just because it accords with your scriptures. . . Do not accept anything merely because it agrees with your preconceived notions." This is terrible news for CowTow,....who clings to tradition, Pali scriptures, and his preconceived notions for his identity.