Vmarco

Lao Tzu said, "Who can enjoy enlightenment and remain indifferent to suffering in the world? This is not keeping with the Way?" Would a World in harmony have signs that read "Beware of Dogs," or the ownership of vicious breeds for protection? Besides the non-peaceful vibrations of haunting fear, anger and subconscious aggression towards others that emanates from pet and owner - the protector and the needer of protection - What about the External Considering of the terror inflicted on Others through barking, attacks, and death? In the US alone, nearly 5 million people report being attacked by dogs every year, and 1,000 people go to emergency rooms every day as a result of a dog attack. Of course the advocates of vicious breeds constantly say, "It's people who make vicious dogs, it's not the breeding." Like Pit Bull advocate Clifford Wright who was mulled to death by his lovng Achilles while watering his garden last week. What about that suffering? The suffering that vicious breed owners inflict upon millions through the barking, intimidating, attacking, mulling, terrorism, etc. of their lovely pets. Lao Tzu said, "there is nothing more futile and frustrating than relying on the mind. To arrive at the unshakable, you must befriend the Tao. To do this, quiet your thinking." When "thinking" is quieted, Internal Consideringdissolves. Lao Tzu said, "Intellectual knowledge exists in and of the brain. Because the brain is part of the body, which must one day expire, this collection of facts, however large and impressive, will expire as well" Can we get more quickly through Conscious Considering? "...consider externally always, internally never." Lao Tzu said, "A superior person cares for the well-being of all things..." Does the owner of a vicious breed care for the Well-Being of All Things? Even if such an owner was to have this animal on a short-lease 24/7, is the Well-Beingness of Others cared for? http://video.search....attacked+by+dog

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Stosh writes: However, you now appear to change your mind,...now you desire to have a narrow, limited conversation according to your dictionary, of which you have yet offered a year and title of. Perhaps the real problem is that Stosh desires: "Maybe we can meet in the middle on another post." While VMarco is interested in the topic of the thread.

Is Internal Considering ever not intellectual? Shantideva said, "The truth, therefore is this: That you must wholly give yourself and take the other's place. The Buddha did not lie in what he said, You'll see the benefits that come from it." Is not the samething as "...consider externally always, internally never." I disagree with the statement that: "There is no purely intellectual path to the Tao" Lao Tzu said, "Who can enjoy enlightenment and remain indifferent to suffering in the world? This is not keeping with the Way?" From post #1: What about that suffering? The suffering that vicious breed owners inflict upon millions through the barking, intimidating, attacking, mulling, terrorism, etc. of their lovely pets. Lao Tzu said, "there is nothing more futile and frustrating than relying on the mind. To arrive at the unshakable, you must befriend the Tao. To do this, quiet your thinking." When "thinking" is quieted, Internal Consideringdissolves. Lao Tzu said, "Intellectual knowledge exists in and of the brain. Because the brain is part of the body, which must one day expire, this collection of facts, however large and impressive, will expire as well" Can we get more quickly through Conscious Considering? "...consider externally always, internally never." Lao Tzu said, "A superior person cares for the well-being of all things..." Does the owner of a vicious breed care for the Well-Being of All Things? Even if such an owner was to have this animal on a short-lease 24/7, is the Well-Beingness of Others cared for? http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=reported+attacked+by+dog

Well, if post #11 above isn't adequate enough for you (in reference to the word wish, from an Eastern Ontosophy viewpoint), then defining "wish" in the context of this thread is useless. However, I agree, "Lets address one point at a time." Lets address the topic,....Can Considering be a path to Tao (Full Spectrum Consciousness)? Was Gurdjieff correct saying, ,..."...consider externally always, internally never." Did Shantideva have it right saying "All the joy the world contains, Has come through wishing happiness for others. All the misery the world contains, Has come through wanting pleasure for oneself." Yes,...Let's address the theme of post #1. For example:

Such is quite a hope,..."to use words true and clear to their meanings." Whose meanings? For example, compassionate persons in the sense of eastern ontosophies, which was rather clearly alluded to in the post regarding the External Considering definition of "wish," use the term wish to mean something other the pernicious word hope and desire. If my grandmother mentions how gay my friends are in front of my friends,...should we correct her because to our common collective groupthink, gay means homosexual, and is thus Internally Considered a slight. Not being sarcastic,...Perhaps the world needs a "true and clear to their meanings" dictionary,...which of course would merely cover a fraction of all words,...but anal retentive people, who hope and desire for simple 1 or 2 definitions for the words in their vocabulary, would fair better within their Collectives,...although any discussions on Spiritual Realities could not exist within such narrow viewpoints. "Tremendum" was coined in a book by Rudolf Otto. Many, if not most words we use,...(except for the Collective of which you are apart) come through literature, by people desireous to point to things that the anal retentive have no words for. Terence McKenna said a Tremendum is "an epiphany beyond our wildest dreams." I wholly agree that words are very useful in an ignorant world. Of course the "Collective" may not have a modicum of awareness of what was just stated. Many may think ignorant implies some sort of negative remark. But, if one were to Externally Consider the messenger of the statement, they'd realize that to her, ignorant is used in the Buddhist sense, that is, that the creator of the universe is not a god, but Avidya or ignorance. Even the word I, has a much different meaning than the I of say a Christian, Muslem or Jew. For example, an "I' for an Externally ConsideringTaoist includes the Whole. But then what is the Whole for an Externally Considering Taoist? Visualize a keyhole for a moment, one of those slotted holes that can be peeped through, as in old Colonial and Victorian houses. Now, describe that hole. Some may say that it has the shape of a circle with a rectangle whose width is smaller than the diameter of the circle aligned on the bottom; others could respond that the hole is surrounded by a brass plate that is attached to the door, which is connected to the wall, etc. Perhaps the hole could be looked through, so one could remark about what is seen on the other side. However, none of that actually describes the hole; all of the preceding descriptions are narratives about what is around or can be seen through the hole. Nevertheless, that is how most persons, especially Westerners and scientists, perceive their own wholeness: by what is around it. Now,...because your "Collective" thinks that Wholeness is defined by what's around it, does that make it a "true and clear meaning?" In summary,...you (Stosh) do not appear interesting in the topic "Considering - as a Path to Tao"....but on your own Internal Considering. What could be true and clear is the topic of Considering will precipitate a new vocabulary, because it's subject seldom addressed by the "collective." V

No,...just to everyone who buys into the limited definition you used. Those of Eastern ontosophies, like the Bodhisattva wish for the liberation of sentient beings, use definitions beyond the common, Internally Considered ones. As quote above:

Yes,...if I understand correctly,...a vibrant heart center, doesn't guaranatee External Considering. As EJ Gold said in the quote above: If one is an errant quester to uncover the Tao, then a pre-mature "vibrant heart center" could be a hinderence,...however, if one is a faith-based proselytizer, a "vibrant heart center" can be a ticket to a better meal and enrichment in the blind leading the blind trade. V

Ah,...your post above, being fully in contrast with post #11 regarding hope, suggests that what is beyond you is really that you would prefer sound-bites, text messages, or short youtube videos. Thus, for most Internally Considering people, little fragments of gnowledge are accepted for perhaps 4 to 14 minutes during a day,...and yet a day consists of 1440 minutes. What do Internally Considering people do for the rest of their days?

Lao Tzu purportedly said, "Do you think you can clear your mind by sitting constantly in silent meditation? This makes your mind narrow, not clear." Many ancient sages said that meditation is a bad way to pursue Tao. In all samadhis except sahaja, that is, levels of meditation said to preceed enlightenment, the practioner or yogi continues to go and come. Lao Tzu said, "the Tao doesn't come and go." Buddha said, "the Tathagata does not come and go." Refuge in sahaja, which is not preoccuppied with meditation or yoga techniques, is a permanent and effortless state of realization. Kagyu, the fourth stream of mastery, says, "In a state of non-meditation, you attain Mahamudra." Hui Neng reportedly scolded his monks for spending too much time sitting in meditation....He said that meditation is unnecessary, and warned that such practice can easily become a narcotic. Esther Hicks said, "We teach meditation, or quieting the mind, because it is really easier to teach you to have no thoughts, than to teach you to have pure, positive thought. We would rather you be in a state of appreciation, than in a state of meditation, because in appreciation you are a vibrational match to your [Higher Self]." A monk asked Seijo: "I understand that a Buddha who lived before recorded history sat in meditation for ten cycles of existence and could not realize the highest truth, and so could not become fully emancipated. Why was this so?" Seijo replied: "Your question is self-explanatory." The monk asked: "Since the Buddha was meditating, why could he not fulfill Buddhahood?" Few people realize that Buddha did not realize enlightenment through meditation,...he realized enlightenment when he ceased meditating. Meditation nearly killed him. Paul Brunton said, "The Long Path devotee is concerned with learning how to concentrate his thoughts in the practice of meditation, and later even with meditation itself, to some degree, so far as it is an activity among ideas and images. The Short Path devotee is not. He is concerned with direct union with the Overself." Paul Brunton said, "The attempt to get rid of the faults and evils in oneself by using the powers of concentration and meditation belongs to the Long Path. But it is still occupied with the ego. For those who have turned to the Short Path, the object of meditation is entirely changed." V

Don't recognize the term KAP,...however, the topic here is "Internal Considering vs External Considering"....not simply what is internal or external,...same too for positive and negative emotions. In regards to positive emotions, EJ Gold said: Thus,...Real Emotions, although emanating internally, are complimentary with External Considering. V

Yes, as Krishnamurti said, "it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" Because our sick society media-tes that selfishness (or Internal Considering) is good, and External Consideration something that cannot be realized,..does that make it true? As for "a wish." I see your definition more in-line "hope" than "a wish." hope n. from ME. hopa, an expectation. 1. expectation of something desired; anticipation of some future event. 2. a guess or belief. 3. that which gives hope; a substance or object hoped for; an expected payoff. No matter what level we wish to view it from, hope is false. Hope is an anticipation of the future; thus it must arise from a predisposition, a belief, and attachment to the past. Hope implies lack,...how else could we possibly define it? Hope is for something we think we don't possess. Hope and desire belong to an anticipation or expectation of the future,...however, the future does not exist. Hope and desire is for something which is not,...for things to be other than they are. In reality, there is nothing which we do not already have. Desire suggests a feeling of lack, whereas to 'wish', is to feel an impulse towards fruition, or realization without any presupposition. A wish is greater than self,... it is an intentional invocation to allow Spirit to flow. Hopes and desires arise from memory,ordinary knowledge, the Five Skandhas,... Memories or ordinary knowledge can not manifest truth,..they are nothing more than CONDITIONS repeating themselfs. A wish, as I define it here, arises from the Heart of ones Essence,...literally. To me, a wish is a grand unexperienced reality, a tremendum uncovered by surrendering desire and expectation. Individuality is always convinced of its separateness,... it hopes and desires, but can not truely wish. To ask for anything is to deny what has already been given. The motive of one conscious of wishing, is always that the subject arrive at its own harmonium. A wish is consistant with External Considering. A bodhisattva has a wish for the liberation of all sentient beings. If such a wish were a desire or hope, they would not be bodhisattvas. On the Short Path, the Four Noble Truths can really be distilled into a single statement,...Suffering is a consequence of the desire for things to be other than they are. Hope is an Internal Considering for things to be other than they are,...for example, the anger, fear, agression, terrorism manifest by ownership of vicious breeds upon Others, is not the way it is,...it is not the way things are. Everything is actually in harmony,...it is Internal Considering that brings chaos to the harmony. V

So,...is External Considering helpful? Can an Internal Considering person ever awaken?

Well then,...you should have no difficulty in engaging the topic,...CONSIDERING - as a Path to Tao (Full Spectrum Consciousness).

If you read the post,...it is a discussion on Internal Considering vs External Considering, and can that dialogue uncover the Tao? aka....Full Spectrum Consciousness. The use of Transgender and Dogs for Protection are themes that have "pushed-many-emotional-bottons" here at TB, thus their use for examples in this this discussion are superb. If you have other themes that could fit into the discussion please go for it. AGAIN,...the topic is,... "...consider externally always, internally never." "All the joy the world contains Has come through wishing happiness for others. All the misery the world contains Has come through wanting pleasure for oneself." Shantideva 8.129 In other words,...is your Internal Considering a barrier to World Happiness? Lao Tzu purportedly said, "If you want to awaken all of humanity, then awaken all of your self."

Lao Tzu said, "A superior person cares for the well-being of all things...looking at herself or another, she sees the samething....Caring for them, she knows that she cares for herself. Giving to them, she knows she gives to herself. At peace with them, she is always at peace with herself." Did Lao Tzu teach external Considering? Lao Tzu purportedly said, "To embrace all things means also to that one rids oneself of any concept of separation....division is contrary to the nature of the Tao....keep your mind free of divisions and distinctions." Is that the same as "rid oneself of Internal Considering"? Lao Tzu said, "Who can enjoy enlightenment and remain indifferent to suffering in the world? This is not keeping with the Way?" Would an authentic Taoist own a vicious breed canine,...adding to the suffering, fear, aggression in the World? V

It's like arguing with a Tea Party Patriot,...using webstites that make up their own facts to support their own beliefs. A good, loving owner doesn't make a good, loving vicious dog,...as shown again in my County Seat the other day when a good, loving Pit Bull advocate was mulled to death while water his garden by his loving pit bull. I wish more so-called loving, vicious breed advocates are mulled to death by their loving pets,....even if it saves just one child from the terror of being attacked by the dogs of these owners. If I had my way,...any owner of a vicious breed, whose dog terrorized anyone, would be held legally accountable in a way that at least equalled the terror that their vicious breed inflicted. No Compassionate person would own or support vicious dog breeds.

You're just not seeing it,...NO Compassionate person would own a vicious breed,...because a Compassionate person would understand that regardless of the protective measure he would take,...the animal presents a clear, and unpredictable danger to others. Put your fallacies ("It's how you treat others (& the dog) that expresses your heart.") in context with the Santa Fe pit bull advocate mulled to death by his favorite dog the other day while watering his plants.

Ok,...the Moon is closer to Earth than normal. 14% larger, is quite closer. My question for any astronomy buffs is this,...for how long will the Moon be closer to Earth,...will it still be 14% closer on the 20th of May? If the Moon is closer than normal during the 20th of May eclipse,...will the extra size block out/conceal the Ring of Fire?