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First, nothing I said in this thread is about worshipping women,...if anything, it's quite the contrary. Second,...understanding the feminine has EVERYTHING to do with the Tao. Without understanding the feminine, any attempt to comprenhend, even elementary, the Tao, is futile. I recognized that long ago while pondering on the Heart sutra. The Heart sutra is a prajna text that was most likely written by Taoist Buddhists. It is a dialogue about the character of a Superior Person. A Superior Person understands that Form (Yang)is Empty (Yin), and Empty (Yin) is Form (Yang). What I just mentioned is usually denied by the patriarchial,...which is what the patriarchial does best. However, as I already had a good grasp of the nature of light,...both Undivided Light (light at the so-called speed of light) and Divided Light (the full electrodynamic spectrum), the implication that this Taoist-Buddhist text was pointing to Who's Who in Duality, and how to recognize it, has bore me much fruit. Look at it this way,...Tao says that all phenomena has a yang-yin aspect,...Physicists say that all phenomena is slowed down, crystallized light, with a centripetal-centrafugal aspect,...thus, an inquiry of one will always lead to the other,...only the WHEN you want to know is at issue. If you have no interest in the feminine, then you are not ready to know. Both Tao and Buddhism imply that "wisdom" is inherently feminine. V

Don't know if I was fortunate or unfortunate,...but at around 19, I began reciting the 1st Absolute Bodhichitta numerous times per day. Although it took years for shamatha to be more present than not,...those Absolute Bodhichitta proverbs are very helpful: These proverbs are: 1. Treat everything you perceive as a dream. 2. Find the consciousness you had before you were born. (Unborn Awareness) 3. Let even the remedy itself drop away naturally. 4. Stay in the primeval consciousness, the basis of everything. 5. Between meditations, treat everything as an illusion. Unfortunate? "Reality is not a safe place for you - the you that you have created. It is the only place where you would die; where there is no room for your hopes, your dreams." JdeR V

Perhaps you should add a Religious Studies course to your curriculum. The story of Lilith can be traced back to at least 2700BCE Sumeria,...but was probably much older. Many Sumerian stories dove-tail those of Genesis. Abraham spent at least some time in Sumeria. The basic creation stories found in the Bible arose from Sumeria,...a somewhat abridged version of the Epic of Gilgamesh. The Old Testament as we know it was not scribed to written form until the 3rd century CE,...the Old Testament as we know it did not enter the canon of the Bible until the 10th century CE. The Burney Relief, ca. 1950 BCE, depicts the Sky Dancer Lilith (Lilitu). However, as HIS-story reflects the patriarchy of the dominant, much knowledge of the Sky Dancers has been buried. Sky Dancers were prominent in Central Asia up until the Islamic invasions in the 14th Centyry CE, which nearly obliterated Buddhism, and sent feminine gnowledge into terma. You better recheck your his-story. Robert Graves is said to have been a respected historian: http://www.gnosis.org/lilith.htm New World Encyclopedia places Lilith in 3000BCE Sumer: http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Lilith Another point,...although the Genesis story was attributed to Abraham, the story was orally formed much later during Moses' era or later. V

But there are TWO Creation Stories,...and since Abraham came through Samaria and Mesopotamia, who did name Lilith, and the fact that Lilith is mentioned in Jewish stories,...Occam Razor's suggests that the first Biblical creation story was about Lilith. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

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Rigpa is often seen as a "non-dual awareness",....sometimes as a total dissolution of dualistic consciousness,...an awareness opposite ignorance. As ignorance is awareness of Past, it could be said that Rigpa is awareness of Present. Thus, "pure presence" is a somewhat accurate term,...because it points to that which is not merely perceived,...such as, we often call our perceiced present, the present, when in reality it is not the Pure Present. There are no conditions in the Pure Present,...like pure love, it is Unconditional. Many want to be loved Unconditionally,...thinking that such love would be non-threatening to their beliefs,...that such love would accept them as they are. IMO unconditional love absolutely accepts who they are,...not who they "think" they are, but who they are. An authentic bodhisattva, one who has consciously taken the vow to work for the liberation of all sentient beings, has a pure compassion, which like pure love, does not avoid, appease, moderate, or put conditions upon their interactions with others. For those who wish for the Unconditional love of another, I doubt they'd understand what they're wishing for. Unconditional love is not safe for the conditions one clings to for one's identity. V

No,...that's not what I said. I said the Sun is Yang,...but it's radiation is Yin. Every Yang has a harmoneous balanced interchange with Yin. The Sun's yin (radiation) is equal to the Sun's yang (generativeness). It is yin that is moving away from form, as yang moves towards it. What does "sunlight" look like outside of Earth's atmosphere? It's part of Dark, cold, Space,...it's Yin. What color is the sky? Is it really blue? What color is a ripe banana? Is it really yellow? Humanity "desperately twists reality to conform to its Human-centric ideology." V

Naropa purportedly said, By learning to recognize the transcendent Light, an adept may return to it without difficulty when the shock of death threatens to disorient him. Thus, all inquiries into light, from a Vajrayana point of view, are useful. Just prior to my first time in Clear Light, which occurred through a total surrender, my consciousness was in white light, and my body (felt not through the ordinary senses, but something metasensory, perhaps the 6th senses), expanded as to infinity, and then flash, my consciousness was at rest (there was no awareness of "body"). Then, which was at least a few hours later, my consciousness fell back into the body. I was ecstatic! Saw this absolutely beautiful being in a mirror,...it was me, but layers and layers of baggage that was part of my reflection were no longer there. And now, the reason I mentioned the above. I wanted back,...back into the light,...it was still right there,...I just close my eyes, and the luminousity was brilliant,...however, each time I did, my body would shake profusely, and I'd have to open my eyes. Over and over I tried to get back, but the longer I held on to the light (mere seconds) the more my body would violently tremble. Only later did I realize that mass/matter and all things Skandha, cannot enter the Stillness of Light. Iwas trying to go back, to be in the light, with my conditions, as if one could actually bring their conditions into the Unconditional. I would also suggest reading post #52 http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/19803-what-is-light/page__st__48__p__286146__hl__alaya__fromsearch__1entry286146 V

The point that Scotty has made is that what you're pointing to cannot be wisdom, because wisdom is defined as something that arises from knowledge,...the grey-goo that Object-ivists, Empiricists, and Religionists worship. So, I'm pondering on dropping the (now useless, impotent) word wisdom, and replace it with a new word that points to prajna or higher consciousness. What Scotty pointed out is that to use the term wisdom to discuss something it cannot be, is confusing to those who use dictionary definitions in expressing ideas. Thus for me,...wisdom must be relegated to the heap of negative words, like hope, fear, belief that disconnect us from our Authentic Self's. V

Do you mean like "sending" love or prayers without permission? v

I see the view of Yin as earth and Yang as Heaven as inverted, to fit a patriarchial point of view. Somewhere, the Who's Who in Duality got all screwed up. The Supreme Ultimate should not even be broached until "we" can recognize the Who's Who in Duality,...for example: centripetal....................centrafugal. positive.......................negative. integrating....................disintregating. spiral in......................spiral out. implosive......................explosive. converge.......................diverge. generative.....................radiative. inhalation.....................exhalation. yang...........................yin. quartz.........................calcite. heating........................cooling. charging.......................discharging. contraction....................expansion. induction......................conduction. winding light waves............unwinding light waves Father Earth...................Mother Sky Father Time....................Mother Space Form...........................Emptiness Matter.........................anti-matter sphere.........................torus particle.......................wave See the synonymousness of the two columns. To change one, one must change all. To say male is explosive (spiral out) and female is implosive (spiral in) because it better fits the patrifocal of our humanness, is denying Tao. V

No,...I see WuJi or Undivided Light as the Still source, but a source like a fulcrum. The fulcrum does not "cause" anything into motion,...the fulcrum of a playground seesaw doesn't cause the lever to move,...but facilitates it. Duality effects its motions through the prism, which is upon the fulcrum. The prism is not WuJi, but neccessary for the perceived split into TaiJi. IMO it is tricky to use the phrase "so dao gives rise to and contains all forms of light" The Tao of Wu is light,...although not light from our point of view. Our point of view about light is the electrodynamic field. Our point of view,....that which arises from the 5 skandhas,...cannot observe Undivided Light. To observe it, we need our Unborn Awareness. Things are not what they appear to be from a Divided Light point of view. Divided Light desires union with Undivided Light,...however, that can never occur,...because Divided Light was never separate from Undivided Light,...Divided Light is an illusion. Because we have been duped into thinking that this dream is real, we only see one-way,...we do not see the reverse flow of forward moving things as a Tathagata does. Thus we are deluded into thinking there are beginnings and ends,...we think we evolved from apes, who evolved from bugs, who evolved from carbin, etc,...but the reverse is equally correct,...that is,...we are who we are, and to be who we are, we manifested a reverse devolution, to get to the evolution, we perceive we are. Time is one thing,...only our perception fragments it. V

Yes,...there's the book,...and also the thread,...and you will not see the world the same again. The Secret of Light - Chapter XII (1947, part of the Public Domain) Light cannot be seen, it can only be known. Light is still. The sense of sight cannot respond to stillness. That which the eyes "feel" and believe to be Light is but wave motion simulating the idea of Light. Like all things else in this electric wave universe the idea of Light cannot be produced. Electric waves simulate idea only. They do not become idea. When man sees the light of the sun he believes that he is actually seeing light when the nerves of his eyes are but "feeling" the intense, rapid, short- wave vibrations of the kind of wave motion which he senses as incandescence. The intensely vibrant electric current mirrored into the senses of the eyes fairly burns them. They cannot stand that high rate of vibration. The eyes would be destroyed by such a vibration but light would not be the cause of that destruction. Fast motion, simulating light, would be the cause. It would be like sending a high voltage electric current over a wire, so fine that the current would burn it out. Man likewise cannot see darkness. The nerves of his eyes, which sense motion, slow down to a rate of vibration that he can no longer "feel." Man is so accustomed to the idea that he actually sees light in various intensities illuminating various substances to greater or lesser degree that it is difficult for him to realize that his own senses are but acting as mirrors to reflect various intensities of wave motion. But that is all that is happening. Every electrically conditioned thing in Nature reflects the vibrations of every other thing, to fulfill its desire to synchronize its vibrations with every other thing. All matter is the motion of light. All motion is expressed in waves. All light waves are mirrors that reflect each other's condition unto the farthermost star. This is an electrically conditioned wave universe. All wave conditions are forever seeking oneness. For this reason all sensation responds to all other sensation. Is Light A Wave Or Corpuscle? Much controversy has arisen as to whether light is corpuscular, as Newton claimed it to be, or waves. There is much evidence in favor of both theories. It is both. Light is expressed by motion. All motion is wave motion. All waves are expressed by fields of equal and opposite pressures of two-way motion. The entire volume within wave fields is filled with the two opposite expressions of motion-the positive expression that compresses light into solids, and the negative expression that expands it into space surrounding solids. All space within wave fields is curved. Curvature ends at planes of zero curvature that bound all wave fields. These boundary planes of omnipresent magnetic Light act as mirrors to reflect all curvature into all other wave fields in the universe, and as fulcrums from which motion in one wave field is universally repeated. All Matter Is Wave Motion Together these constitute what we call matter and space. It has been difficult to conceive light as being purely corpuscular, for light is presumed to fill all space. Space is not empty. It is full of wave motion. Corpuscles of matter are one half of wave cycles of light. Space is the other half. There need be no mystery as to whether light is corpuscular or wave, for waves of motion which simulate the light and darkness of space is all there is. The light and motion of solid matter, and of gaseous matter of space, differs only in volume and condition. Water of earth is compressed into small volume while water of the heavens is expanded thou sands of time in volume. Each condition is the opposite half of the cycle of water. Water vapor is water turned inside out. It again becomes water by turning outside in. Expansion- contraction sequences result from this process. All Matter Is Simulated Light Water of the heavens still is water, and it still is light waves. No change whatsoever has taken place between the waters of earth and those of the heavens except a change of its condition from positive to negative preponderance. This change is due solely to a change of its direction in respect to its center of gravity. All dense cold matter, such as iron, stone, wood, and all growing or decaying things, are light. We do not think of them as light but all are waves of motion, and all waves of motion are light. Light is all there is in the spiritual universe of knowing, and simulation of that light in opposite extensions is all there is in the electric wave universe of sensing. The simulation of light in matter is not light. There is no light in matter. Perhaps the confusion which attends this idea would be lessened if we classify everything concerning the spiritual universe, such as life, intelligence, truth, power, knowledge and balance as being the One Light of Knowing, and everything concerning matter and motion as being the two simulated lights of thinking. Thinking expresses knowing in matter but matter does not think, nor does it know. Thinking also expresses life, truth, idea, power and balance by recording the ideas of those qualities in the two lights of matter in motion, but matter does not live, nor is it truth, balance or idea, even though it simulates those spiritual qualities. Man's confusion concerning this differentiation lies in his, long assumption of the reality of matter. His assumption that his body is his Self, that his knowledge is in his brain, and that he lives and dies because his body integrates and disintegrates, has been so fundamental a part of his thinking that it is difficult for him to reverse his thinking to the fact that matter is but motion and has no reality beyond simulating reality. The light which we think we see is but motion. We do not see light. We feel the wave vibrations set up by the motion that simulates light, but the motion of electric waves that simulate light is not that which it simulates. Confusion Concerning Light Corpuscles There is much confusion concerning the many kinds of particles of matter such as electrons, protons, photons, neutrons and others. These many particles are supposedly different because of the belief that some are negatively charged, some are positively charged and some are so equally charged that one supposedly neutralizes the other. There is no such condition in nature as negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions. Compressing bodies are charging into higher potential conditions. Conversely, expanding bodies are discharging into lower potential conditions. To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting body. Contracting and expanding bodies move in opposite directions. Contracting bodies move radially inward toward mass centers, and expanding bodies move radially outward toward space that surrounds masses. In this two-way universe, light which is inwardly directed toward gravity charges mass and discharges space. When directed toward space it charges space and discharges mass. All direction of force in Nature is spiral. The charging condition is positive. It multiplies speed of motion into density of substance. The principle of multiplication of motion because of decrease of volume is the cause of the acceleration of gravity. The discharging condition is negative. It divides speed of motion into tenuity of substance. The principle of the division of motion because of expansion of volume is the cause of the deceleration of radiation. One can better comprehend this principle by knowing that what we call substance is purely motion. Motion simulates substance by its variation of pressures, its speed and its gyroscopic relation to its wave axis. Particles are variously conditioned as to pressure but there are no different kinds of particles. All are light waves wound up into particles that are doubly charged. Their position at any one point in their wave causes them to have the electric condition appropriate for that point. Light particles are forever moving in their octave waves. All are either heading toward their cathode or their anode, which means toward vacuity or gravity. They are all moving either inward or outward, spirally. All Light Particles Are Alike All light particles are either expressing the mother- light principle or the father-light principle. For example, if a particle is on the amplitude of the wave, it would be a true sphere, and as a true sphere it would be neither positive nor negative. It might then appropriately be called a neutron. A particle which is spirally heading inward toward the apex of a vortex in the process of becoming a sphere might appropriately be called a proton, because of its expressing the father-light principle. Again, if it is moving spirally outward, it could appropriately be called an electron because it would then be discharging in excess of its charge or expanding in excess of its contraction. Light rays, for example, leaving the sun, are discharging the sun. They are also discharging themselves because they are expanding into greater volume. They are also lowering their own potential by multiplying their volume. They reverse their charge when radially converging upon the earth. They are then charging the earth and themselves by contracting into smaller volume and are simultaneously multiplying their own potential by thus contracting. Semi-cyclic Alteration In an electric current there is a constant interchange between anode and cathode or positive and negative poles. A light particle expands as it leaves the cathode in an outward radial direction and contracts as it radially approaches the anode. This light particle has been the same light particle at all times in all parts of its journey. Its variation of charge and discharge, its direction of motion and the condition of wave pressure in which it finds itself at all times are the sole reasons for its changing from one condition to another. The light particles are all the same light particles, all being different only in pressure condition. This is also true of the elements of matter. Whether they be iron, carbon, silicon, bismuth or radium, all are composed of the same kind of light particles. They all seem to have different qualities and attributes, but those qualities and attributes are likewise given to them purely by the positions they occupy in their waves. All Things Simulate Light A particle of light which belongs to an atomic system of sodium has in it all of the entire range of the elements, besides all of every other creating thing in the universe. It acts to carry out the purposefulness of the idea of sodium simply because it is in the pressure condition of sodium, and is a part of the unfolding pattern of the seed of inert gas of the octave from which it has unfolded. If that same particle unfolded from the seed of the oak, it would be part of the wood fiber of its trunk, or leaf, or of the chlorophyll which colored its leaves, but it would be the same kind of particle while fulfilling the purpose of cellulose as while fulfilling the purpose of sodium. All matter in this universe is but differently conditioned motion simulating light, and all differences in condition are pressure differences. Light Does Not Travel The speed with which light presumably travels is 186,400 miles per second. The distance between stars is so great that the speed of light is computed as light years, for the distance computed by lesser units of time would yield figures so great that they would be meaningless. Light only seems to travel. It is but one more of the countless illusions caused by wave motion. Waves of the ocean seem to traverse the ocean but they only appear to do so, for waves are pistons in the universal engines, and pistons operate up and down. Wave pistons of light, or of the ocean, operate radially and spirally inward and outward, toward and away from gravity. Waves of light do not travel. They reproduce each other from wave field to wave field of space. The planes of zero curvature, which bound all wave fields, act as mirrors to reflect light from one field into another. This sets up an appearance of light as traveling, which is pure illusion. The sunlight we feel upon our bodies is not actual light from the sun. What actually is happening is that the sun is reproducing its own condition on the earth by extending the reproductions out through cold space into ever enlarging wave fields until those reproductions begin to converge again toward our center of gravity into ever smaller wave fields. The heat we feel and the light we see is dependent entirely upon the ability of the wave fields to reproduce the light and heat, and that ability is conditioned upon the amount of moisture in the atmosphere. If there were no moisture in the atmosphere, our bodies would carbonize from the heat thus reproduced. One cannot consistently think of that heat as direct rays of the sun, for that same sunlight was intensely cold during its reproduced journey through the immensely expanded wave fields of space between the sun and earth. The light and heat that appear to come from the star or sun have never left the star or sun. That which man sees as light and feels as heat is the reproduced counterpart of the light and heat that is its cause. The rate of vibration in a wave field depends upon its volume. Vibration in a wave field means the pulse of interchange between its compressed core and the space surrounding that core. A slow vibration in a large wave field would cool one's body, or even freeze it, while fast pulsing interchange in extremely small wave fields could burn one's body. A lens that multiplies light and heat toward a focal point which sets paper on fire merely compresses larger wave fields into smaller ones. The rate of vibration increases for the same reason that the planets nearest the sun move much faster in their small orbits than those that are far away from the sun. Kepler's law covering the speeds of planets will apply to rates of vibration in wave fields as appropriately as with the movements in the solar system.

The Golden Rule? No way! To have Bernard Gui, Elizabeth Bathory, Marquis de Sade, or George Bush doing unto me, what they would do unto themselves. No grey-goo wisdom in that for me. V

Although I coined the term ontosophy independently in 1983 and used it for years, it appears to have been first coined by Caramuel Lobkowitz circa 1642. I defined it as this: Ontosophy n. < NL. ontosophia (Caramuel Lobkowitz 1642), pref. onto - being; Gk pp of einai; parousia, to be (in pareina, to be present) from Latin esse; + sophy, Gk wisdom. 1. wisdom of being 2. arising from wisdom (sapientia) verses knowledge (scientia) 3. the sapience to be present in the presence of one's Presence, or Being. But the major mistake, as Scotty pointed out is that Sophy is not wisdom,...and thus sophy is not sapience. V

I'm always amazed with how people think that everything can be found on the internet. Sure,...I concede with Wiki that the English word wisdom come from 9th cenury CE O.E. Does that mean that the meaning of wisdom was not considered by the Greeks 1000 years before that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(wisdom) Or Egyptian Wisdom 2000 yeas before that: http://www.maat.sofiatopia.org/saa2.htm Or Naga wisdom 2000 years before the Greeks: http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/naga/id/134572 Or Bon Wisdom thousands of years before that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonpa_Shenrab_Miwoche V