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There is no Now, Present, or Instant in Time,...you do not see the world that surrounds you, but the world that surrounded you. Honesty will set you free!

That's it! That's the key. Just find the Present, and you uncover Heart-Mind. But remember,...There is no Present in Time. Thus, anything that arises within time, like "think, analyze and formulate", will be a distraction to accesses the Heart-Mind. V

Sure, let's discuss mathematical assumptions. Most people fail to recognize that the foundation of a mathematical statement is only true in relation to the assumptions of set theory, the assumption that any collection of objects actually exists. All objects, without exception, are indeed mathematical. The reason for that lies in the multiplying/dividing nature of the optically organized universe. However, the modern cosmological understanding of the universe suggests that no objects exist, indicating that mathematics pivots on a misguided belief in materialism. The sciences usually expound on relative reality through the assumption that object-ive reality actually exists. However, objectivism is based on objects, and those objects are no more real than last nights dream. To discuss Heart-Mind, there needs to be a vocabulary that points to beyond objects,...beyond irrelevancy of empirical data. The seeing of objects as separate from perceived self is a barrier to Heart-Mind. Thus, the journey to uncovering Heart-Mind is one of unlearning. Heart-Mind does not exist within Math's "set theory" "In pursuit of knowledge, every day something is acquired. In pursuit of wisdom, every day something is dropped." - Lao Tzu

That's a rephrasing of the question? LOL The Heart-Mind, what many Buddhist (as well as ancient Naga, Bon, Maya, and Egyptians) call the Higher Mind, does not "think, analyze, or formulate"....thus if those conditions are important to you, that in itself, is a barrier to accessing Heart-Mind. I'm aware of no way, other than the surrender of "think, analyze, or formulate" to access Heart-Mind. While conscious of the consciousness of Heart-Mind, navigating through the physical realm needs no "think, analyze, or formulate" to open doors or walk out of rooms. And keep in mind, that pivoting from Heart-Mind, without thought, instead of head mind, with thought, is quite productive,...but you'll need to verify that on your own. For me, back in the 80's, the book ACIM was quite helpful. ACIM said, "the ego uses the body to conspire against your [Heart]Mind, and because the ego [head mind]realizes that its 'enemy' [the Heart Mind] can end them both [ego and body] merely by recognizing they are not part of You [the non-skandha Mind]), they join in the attack together. This is perhaps the strangest perception of all, if you consider what it really involves. The ego, which is not real, attempts to persuade the Mind, which is real, that the Mind is ego's learning device; and further, that the body is more real then the Mind is. No one in their right Mind could possibly believe this, and no one in Their 'right Mind' does believe it" 6 IV 5. V

Quantum Psychology,...looks interesting.

That's a huge belief barrier for disinformed non-dualists. Form is empty,...not Buddha consciousness. Form is empty,...not what's beyond the skandhas. The skandhas are empty, and empty are the skandhas. The consciousness of a Tathagata is not a synonym for emptiness, nor form. A Tathagata is beyond the duality of empty and form. V

Sounds impossible to me,...however, if you wanted to open Heart-Mind through the Third Eye, that would be different. The Third-Eye is opened through finding the barycenter of the upper three chakras,...the barycenter of the lower three chakras is sometimes called the danjun. For an example,...Using the danjun, one draws up yang chi, and releases through the hands or feet, as on a drum or attackers neck. If you instead direct that chi to the thymus area, a different result occurs. Likewise, the yin chi coming from the barycenter of the upper three chakras, can also be directed to the thymus area,...when the lower (yang) and higher (yin) interlace at the thymus area, the threshold of the Heart-Mind can be seen. The point of Higher consciousness is the Heart chakra,...not the Crown chrakra. Stop looking a the chakras from bottom to top, as lower or higher,...look at them as a reclining person,...horizontal,...with the heart as gateway beyond the skandhas. V

Yeap,...learned that when I was 6.

I'd prefer to discuss Yin Qi vs Yang Qi,...especially from a Wu Qi point of view. V

I've surely experienced that,...ever try to have a rational discussion with a Tea Partier or social conservative, even when using the simpliest vocabulary? Cannot be done. However,...that need not be so for Soulestrial Orienteers. For such orienteers, it's essential that admirable companions develop a language and vocabulary,...a very specific language to discuss and commune about the Short Path. I'm not talking about a secret society, or mystical initiations into esoteric studies based on books,...but a language that doesn't get upset about truth. A language consistent with relating with what will never leave you, and from which you can never leave. Of course, this language would be alien for ordinary sentient thinkers,...and that's fine,...for those in Maslow's lower-archy, that is, all below Self-Actualization, are welcome, when they are ready,...because Short Pather's do not need to pursuade Long Pathers,...or have a vocabulary to bridge their experiences with ours,...just to seek out others on the Short Path is more than enough. I don't know/gnow where you are in this journey,...I haven't directly asked. But it appears your inquiries are serious. V

Would a non-cerebral-centric viewpoint offer such a statement? I accept that you have no interests in this subject beyond what you've predetermined is meaningful and palatable. "All I know is that my Yang likes to go up and expand whilst my Yin likes to come down and contract." And that delusion is great, for you. Some however may like know that is impossible,...because yang (the centripetal, axial motion of duality) does not expend, and yin (the centrafugal, radial motion of duality) does not contract. But, in a self-absorbed society, people don't want to see that what they thought was meaningful may actually be meaningless. V

All Form is essentially Yang,...of course the patriarchy does not want you to understand that,...just as the Christian calendar does not want people to understand the natural rhythms of earth and our relationship with it. The formless is Yin,...just as depicted on the T'ai chi T'u. "all matter is crystallized or slowed down light" David Bohm All anti-matter is unwinded, high frequency light. All matter is winded, low frequency light. I can guarentee this,...no one can ever understand Who they really are, without understanding Who's Who in duality. That understanding may be simultaneous,...but it must be recognized Sorry to the bearer of bad news. V

I've don't recall ever reading anything specifically on Aristotelian logic, although I've certainly written about it. How I use the term Aristotelian logic, is as an object-ive centered predisposition towards all inquiry arising from the belief in One,...which is fundamently why our nature denying Christian calendar begins with 1. In addition,....IMO, the concept of monotheism has been sustained through Aristotelian logic and the belief in rational numbers. Understanding Undivided Light arises from Zero, not One. Undivided, Clear Light is beyond One in all ways. This Zero is bookkeeping place-number,...but the Spiritual understanding of Zero. In Aristotelian times, when even the mention of zero or what they called, unnatural numbers, would bring death, like they did to Hippasus, for suggesting irrationals. St. Augustine claimed that he came to Christ not through any Christian scriptures but by reading Plato. Plato believed in a ratio based, Aristotelian logic. St. Thomas refers to Aristotle as not just any philosopher but with the emphatic article as ...'The Philosopher'... and then goes on to prove 'logically' the existence of God through Aristotelian logic. Undivided Light cannot ne recognize through Aristotelian logic,...Undivided Light cannot be recognized through any belief system,...especially ones that cling to the skandhas for their identity. V

Excellent post,...certainly worthy of critique. The Mind of a Tathagata has never moved. The sentient mind, which aroses from the skandhas, cannot sense that which has never moved,...the sentient mind observes only motion,...from an apparently resting rock, to massive Planets in orbit around the Sun,...all objects are in motion. The Mind of a Tathagata has never moved. Quite frightening for the sentient, sciential mind,...it upsets its logic. Although the phrase "Enlightenment is knowledge of death itself" is common language use, it doesn't ring as well as it could,...for example,....Enlightenment is Gnowledge of death itself. The language to discuss Heart-Mind needs to be more specific. Knowledge arises from the cerebral-mind,...an accumulation of ideas,..whereas gnowledge is an understanding beyond sentience. Inscribed over the portico of the Temple at Delphi in Greece was written Gnothi Seauton—gnow thyself. To the Greeks, gnowledge or wisdom arose through the thymos, located near the physical heart, and associated with the thymus gland. The psyche, located in the gray-goo in the head, was considered of secondary importance. Some cultures like the Egyptian and Maya of Mesoamerica, thought so lowly of the brain, or sciential mind, that before burials it was sucked out and discarded, whereas the heart was treasured. Today's scientially minded may think such a philosophy as primitive, but keep in mind that the Egyptians for example were quite aware of the brain. Evidence clearly shows that the Egyptians had an intimate knowledge of brain functions, for instance that the left cerebral hemisphere controls the right side of the body. As was the case with the tantrika and Vajrayana in Asia, and the Maya of Mesoamerica, Egyptians seemed to have been aware that the brain is the vessel for the lowest consciousness, whereas from the heart arose the highest consciousness. Ancient cultures appear to have discarded the brain because they had a higher awareness of self. Knowledge proceeds through what Buddha called the five skandhas or Aggregates, which includes sensual perceptions and conditioned experience by way of the psyche or personal consciousness. To know is to comprehend noologically, through intellect-based thought. Gnowledge or sapience, from sapientia, is to understand through metasensory awareness and unconditioned experience through the thymos or impersonal consciousness. To gnow is to understand by way of gnosis, the gnowledge that Siddhartha Gautama, the "Sage of the Shakyas," implied when he said, be a Lamp unto Thyself. Of course this is just semantics,...however, semantics are more important to the discussion of Heart-Mind that for a Lawyer, Physician, or Astrologer. Deci Belle wrote, "As one is becoming of heartmind; heartmind is becoming of oneself." This broaches a huge discussion,...for example, how is No Beginning, No end, applicable to our perceived present? The sentient mind looks at a presumed past and theorizes an evolutionary process, a beginning and possible end. The religious minded looks at their Holy Books and theorizes a beginning and no end. It may be impossible for the sentient mind to grasp that time is one, or that evolution may have occurred from the top down, rather than the bottom up. The sentient mind cannot sense stillness,...and yet, stillness, the stillness of consciousness, is who we are,...even for those attached to the dream of motion for their identity. "Do you know?" Deci Belle writes. I'd say that, those who know, do not gnow. V