neimad

i hear you, and on that level agree entirely.... but then by those standards we have to call into question modern agricultural and processing practices. can eating vegetables grown with synthetically manufactured fertilisers and sprayed heavily with chemical pesticides killing all the bugs and other things that want to grow in the field.... be any better? it's the same exact thing as eating mass manufactured meat, in my opinion. it's detrimental to the earth and hence the body. there is no life and there is no love presented in the food. and what about processed foods? even foods that would be considered healthy, but then processed in a factory and placed in synthetic plastic packaging? where do we draw the line? what's worse than what? can we even make a distinction? whats the solution? is there one? hmmmm.... dissolution of the matrix?

runs through the entire multi-universe creation! interconnectedness.... (thats why i liked ecology so much at uni, studying the interrelatedness of it all, even though it is on a pretty micro level). i'm beginning to understand that all of this stuff.... health issues, environmental issues, all of it.... is just a reflection of the constant balance shifting of consciousness. the reason why everything is speeding up, why it appears to all be so disasterous (at any level... be it environmental or conspiratorial) is because evolution is speeding up..... that is the push of the negative (to use the word) is speeding up the push of the positive. it's gonna get worse, because it's gonna get better... if ya get me? this whole putrifying chrysalis (matrix) is the place to create butterflies from the festering cesspool we will fly free.... forever grateful for the swamp that nurtured our development.... and from above we will be able to see it's all part of the pattern and it's all just so beautiful... oooh... *sob*

right on. truth can only ever be alluded to in conversation or literature.... it is experience only that gives the real truth. the entire multi-verse (god) as a hologram (for a model) exists within every single element. that is, everything is god in it's entirity. in that respect.... if it's ALL the same energy, how can eating a plant or a piece of fruit or a dead animal be any different? how???????

4. Tratak This kriya is for cleansing and strengthening the eyes. The eyes are focussed usually on a small object or the flame of the lamp in a dark room, without blinking, until they water. Advanced variations involve gazing at a portrait of god or even imagining it in your mind's eye. http://www.chrysalisyog.homestead.com/kriyas.html

as far as i know.... bloodshot eyes are caused by problems in the lungs. white of the eyes relates to the lungs. lung cleanse and perhaps the eyes will clear. i got blood shot eyes from smoking (weed and cigarrettes) although i don't smoke either in anywhere near the kind of quanity i once did. as for neti, cos i can't be bothered going back to the other post..... i realise that neti actually also addresses the ears, it's part of the same canal.

i just got myself a neti pot and have been doing neti twice a day (morning and evening) and i love it. really clearing up the sinuses and i think over time will help my waxy ears out and even get the nectar flowing from my brain on the pamphlet that came with the pot it said it was one of the six cleanses done before yoga.... anyone got any idea what the other 5 are?

i like the word work because for me it has the connotations of service. it is service.... service to spirit, or god, or whatever you want to call it. it can be fun work, in fact it must become fun work.... or else we'd go looney. but if i didn't have this navigator thing guiding me.... it's something i'd do without. i could easily spend my life in oblivious bliss of video games, pot smoke, junk food, television and all that other stuff. i just know i can never be satisfied by that..... so it's work to me. something that i have to do if i ever want to satisfy this calling. and that's good.... i'm happy with it being work. i'm happy to work hard, really really really hard at this..... because that's all there is left to me. so the point is, it's not really a choice i made.... it's something i was born into (or maybe i did make a choice some life somewhere at some point, whatever). and just like people feel they have to go to work (a job) in order to make money, because that's just the way things are..... .... so to do i feel like i have to do my spiritual work, because that's just the way things are. and to think it's not gonna be tough, to think it's not gonna break me a thousand times over, to think that i'm not going to have to exert myself..... is all delusion. so i just knuckle down and do the work with a smile on my face. ----------------- oh yeah. it wasn't about agreeing on common language.... it was about debating on the language to have some insights or shifts about what we really think, about the attachments we have to certain words. i think it coulda been valuable... but noone is interested, so i don't care.

whatever.

hello. i just want to introduce some new terminology and explain my reasoning for it. "head" - my mum told me last night that back in the flower power times there was a word they used... "head" ... to describe people who were "cool". that is someone who could look you in the eye and smile. i want to take this a little further into the concept of "the splinter in the brain" (matrix) or "white blood cell". that is, those individuals who have that extra thing (can call it the splinter, or "the navigator") within us that causes us to question who we are, what reality is and how we relate to it. see i am becoming more and more convinced that there are two types of people (of course some shades of grey). there are those who cannot help but question and there are those who don't. both types are necessary, one provides the learning experience for the planet consciousness to evolve (and also us 'heads' by reflecting lessons back to us... thats why we always get that "the people around you are your mirror" stuff) and the heads contribute by pushing evolution to happen (the eventual dissolution of the universe back into infinite love.... god). on the weekend i was at the markets and i went to a stall to buy some cashews, this girl served me and she looked up and i was absolutely startled by her eyes... they kind of caught me. i knew i had to talk with her and after the markets finished and she was finished packing up i caught her on the way back to her car.... she was very wary and first said "i should let you know i have a boyfriend" i laughed as this was the last thing on my mind. anyway i just wanted to find out if she was a 'head' to test this feeling i had.... sure enough after a short while i knew she had questions, although very little exposure to spirituality (she also thought i was from some spiritual group trying to recruit her.... which i guess i am, but it's not an orgnisation... it's the universal spirit!). so i had established that i can tell 'heads' and then we had a bit of what i am now calling "the chat". "the chat" is the conversations all us heads are most drawn to.... it's what inspires us and causes our reflections to go deeper. all we are doing on this board is having the chat. it's talking about spirituality (if you want to call it that) or the nature of our existance. having the chat serves as a reminder. it allows us to wake up some more because we are reflecting deeper and able to have insights through communication (both talking and listening). i find more and more do i just want to have the chat and find people to have it with. because all the systems are there (the plugs of the matrix) to cause us to fall asleep. the moment we aren't aware....boom... we are asleep again. so there's a couple of definitions/concepts. feel free to discuss if anyone is interested.

not me... no, not yet. i have my hands full with recapitulation, stalking and gathering power..... astral travel will come in due time, i just recognise it as a necessary step is all. you gotta make the energy body strong before you can step into it easily. although i know i have astral travelled (as have we all) when you have really strange dreams that have no relation whatsoever to your daily activities.... that's astral travel. at a festival the other week, the first night it was wet so my friend and i slept in a common tent, there were lots of cushions around so we made a huge bed (we had our own sleeping bags) and then piled blankets over our sleeping bags.... before sleeping i said to him "lets meet up in the astral realm". the funny thing was i had an incredibly vivid and bizarre dream (astral projection) with him in it, and he had a vivid dream with me in it...... i know we met up there, cool.

exactly.... it's ALL about perspective. just the same energy. different expression.... same energy. none of it EVER dies.

whatever. it's all just the same energy anyway......

fair enough. i didn't know it was related to drug usage..... i don't think it's someone who is awake.... rather someone who has the urge to become awake. as i said, there is a distinction. people who feel some kind of strange calling to wake up, and people who don't. most people don't. the people that do are like 1 in 15000. yeah, we are a minority (however that could be changing? or perhaps those with the splinter are beginning to assert themselves more...?). so for me a 'head' meant someone with the splinter, someone with the potential and the calling to want to wake up, whether they ever take steps towards that or not is up to them. a head can be someone who just philosophises about truth all the time but never does anything to uncover it. also a head can be someone who has stray thoughts but is never put in an environment to call it into question more (like the girl i followed into the car park.... she definately questioned truth, but had no friends or family that she could relate to on that level so it was mostly supressed despite her having the typical head quality of wanting to help others). then i would consider a warrior someone who is a head and is also actively taking steps to discover truth. in that sense i would consider most of you guys warriors of some level or another..... because you are here, trying to figure it all out. a sorcerer then is a warrior that has started to become multi-dimensional. that is they are able to step out of the matrix (initially just through dreaming/astral projection..... yes astral travel is IMPORTANT on our path because it helps us to realise that this world is just a dream too and it's not limited by all the boundaries we hold onto). above this is a "lucid" this is our buddhas and krishnas and so on. those who are becoming HYPER-dimensional. ability to function across many dimensions simultaneously and roam the hyper dimensional universes with ease. i think there are even more levels than these too.... resulting at the final level of UNION when one becomes one with all. of course i have only ever experienced being a humaton (i.e. non-head), a head and now a warrior.... so the rest is just speculation. and there are shades of grey to the classifications too.... and i think one can move up and down among them, although the higher one can go the easier it is to just switch in relation to circumstance. for example i can now involve myself as a humaton easily enough.... be spellbound by the most boring of conversations and laugh with ease among other humatons.... but it's a conscious switch i make (and i tend to avoid too much of it, because it sucks you back to sleep). but interestingly enough i just received a new audio course by another of my teachers and all this stuff i have just been writing about was confirmed, all be it using different language. synchronicity enough?

dunno if you guys felt it but there was a big shift in consciousness about 2 weeks ago.... it could have just been local but i think it was global. it's like we were humming along on 4th gear and then suddenly dropped down into third (signifying how the buzz has gotten more intense/faster). 2006 a big year. 2007 will be even bigger and so on for the next few years. hold on fellas, we in for a wild ride! (thats why im so emphatic about there being no time. it truly is approaching get on board or be left behind!)

i'm with ya ian. hard work.... karma yoga. and i tell ya, i'm one of the lasiest buggers around.... i always thought there had to be a magic pill or an easy way. but i realise now thats all bollocks..... the only way is to do the work.

yin and yang. positive and negative (charge, as in electrical... before preconceived ideas form...). same thing but different. so yeah... different purpose AND perspective, i think. i think it's more than just wanting to be, i think it's a compulsion. just like us heads feel the compulsion to search for truth (and thus have so much trouble fitting in!), a humaton feels the compulsion to fit in (yet somehow they still try and cling to their uniquness ).

sponteneity is the true manifestation.

i musta missed this post. cool with the whole language thing.... it would really clear up a lot to get more common agreement on the meaning of certain words, but at the same time it kinda takes away from some of the rich variety of individual interpreatation.... but ahhh.. isn't that the point of us heads? perhaps start another thread and lets iron some of this out and get some common lingo going perhaps? i think it would find a lot of us shifting in some way.... ----------------------- i'll start. impeccable: to act from the heart with love but without attachment (eventually blending into sponteneity). desire: having longing for a particular situation, object or being to the point where they influence ones state of balance. attachment: the plug in points (hence "attachment") to the big matrix (i don't think i have to define that... it's part of our 'culture' now ) we currently reside in. that is our desire whether it is past, present or future. detachment: not being attached to a particular desire. hard work: the process of activity or moving with purpose towards something (even if that goal is endless). head: a spiritual seeker. those (and they know who they are) who question their reality, who they are and want to know truth. the chat: a conversation about truth. feel free to alter or add to these definitions and provide your own.

i get it that it has to be enjoyable. as i said, somewhere, you either learn to laugh (enjoy the work) or end up with a few trips to the psych ward (or end up killing yourself or dosing yourself senseless with drugs, alcohol, television, etc....). it's not that i'm saying you cant play and have fun and enjoy it all...... but it's hard work! chopping wood can be immensley enjoyable, if you act in it... but it's still hard work! i only use hard work for want of anything better to say, but we have all these preconceived ideas that hard work = struggle. noone ever got anywhere by doing nothing. but those who work hard and can laugh and smile.... always succeed. it would be a rough journey down the river for one of those water particles.... bumping around corners, hitting rocks and so on.... but the little water particle just goes along with it all for the ride, even though it's a tough one he recognises he can't do anything else but just go with it. ahhhhhh i dunno. it doesn't bother me what history says about castaneda. i was never really interested in castaneda himself, rather don juan (or the persona of carlos that was don juan.... or whatever!) and the underlying theme throughout the books of the warriors path. i read them all twice and filed the relevant information away somewhere knowing it was useful but not quite how to apply it. castaneda independantly. then jake comes along who has gone to all the effort of taking those core warrior teachings and putting it so succinctly. suddenly, with extra teachings from a few other people for other explinations, i am beginning to understand how to apply it all to my life. i can see the general theme.... and having just read jake's reiteration of it, i'm using the language because it's the most fun lingo to me... it's kinda mysterious and sounds cool. unfathomable is much nicer, yes but gives the impression that we don't know it's all a game... when we do (even if we pretend we don't)! when i speak of useless it's not in a negative way but rather i'm just astounded that it's all a game and the end of the game is what we are working towards with this spiritual quest. the end of the game (the big one, not just our little microcosmic versions of it) is the end of it all (just like the end of our human games = the end of the matrix for us). when i begin to look upon that i cannot help but laugh out of the sheer absurdity of it all. what a massive giant joke!

since you seemed to be talking to me, i'll reply to it from myself. i don't hate myself, i don't even hate who i was.... i can use terms like "pathetic" and "pitiful" about myself but it doesn't mean i hate myself, i understand that the state of being pathetic and pitiful... the whole process that took me to develop that was learning in itself. i see to develop the power is to go back and understand the exact process and development of that persona (act) that i now see as pathetic. to love the processes that influenced me to be where i am going back through the processes and releasing their binding limitations on my very being. i don't think castaneda invented anything. the system he outlined is desribed again and again throughout all of true spiritual paths. recapitulation - going back and discovering all the lessons we missed and learning from them now (erasing personal history). stalking - discovering all our routines and habits, the way our thoughts work and catching it... thus mastering our own process. dreaming - the generation of the 'double' (in taoism called the "immortal body" also could be considered soul, energy body, astral body, blah blah blah) and using that to experience existance outside of this particular matrix. using death as an advisor - not a morbid infatuation with death but merely the recognition that ONE WILL DIE! it's not some distant event occurring to someon else... it's very real and it's always at our shoulder. death cannot be ignored and becoming aware of it is the most powerful motivating factor that exists. and so on..... i am using violent language because i find it funny to do so, and i've had a go of all the lovey dovey stuff. but it's the same thing. neither passive nor struggling. i say "hard work" but thats not really an appropriate description..... it's not about struggling but it's about determination, discipline and vigilance. there is no self-hate and there is no desperation to dissapear. there is no desire to change who i am.... just a path and a purpose and no other choice left but to walk it even though it's all utterly useless. but we are all here and we do all WANT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN. i hear people sometimes say "there is no need to change because you are already perfect" or some other such nonsense.... and if that's truly the case then why fucking bother doing any spiritual practice? why bother questioning existance? what's the point of it all other than to change/grow/develop/evolve? sure enough once you've done all that we will probably be able to say "aha now i realise i was that way all along, but i just had to realise it" YEAH.... HAD TO REALISE IT! that's what it is, and it requires the work to be done. simple. and most of the people are doing the work.... probably even you, cloud, are doing the work. sean... despite all his lovely flower analogies and so forth, works bloody hard! hours of meditation a day, yoga, looking after health, reading and researching....... that's HARD WORK!!! to achieve whatever the hell it is we are trying to get to, we gotta put in the work. and the work = effort (to some degree) we spent so long building up limitations, traumas, karma, blah blah blah that the work is removing that to get back to our natural state of wu-wei, effortlessness, whatever.

we can either work hard to make it easy. or we can work easy and make it hard. thinking it's just going to be an easy walk in the park is a ridiculous concept. one can change their attitude to the hard work (in fact one must if they are going to get out of it without a few trips to the psych ward) and do the service with love and enjoy it.... but it don't change the fact that it's gonna be HARD!!! vigiliance, determination, discipline.... and above all... impeccability. i am pretty certain that anyone who thinks they are going to have a nice easy time and unfold gently and beautifully like a flower without putting in the effort, time and hard work i am sure will be in for a very rude shock when they reach the point of death (of the ego). that's an unfathomable chasm and there will come a point when one has to jump. to not jump is to remain a humaton and die without ever building up the soul (immortal body to use taoist terminology) to continue on the spiral whilst keeping a personal sense (although ultimately that'll have to go too). not that i'm saying anyone here isn't putting in the hard work.... sitting down to do practices every day is hard work. doing the research and contemplating/reflecting upon who you are is intensley hard work.... and it's all necessary. there is no time to pussyfoot around.... but everything in it's due course. make haste slowly.

neimad - will you give up being a raving lunatic? hahahaha. well actually, the lunatic part is new.... but i always was raving. ian you got something with that post above, for sure. everyone heed ian's words: IT'S HARD HARD HARD HARD WORK!!!!!!!!!! we have to work hard, we have to suffer, we have to die, we have to destroy every single part of us that we hold dear and we have to obliterate our attachment to everything we loved. the language doesn't necessarily have to be so violent to explain the process but that's the only way it can be done as far as i can see. but not to fear because as far as i can see that by doing these processes we will get to experience REAL love, and our relationship to everything can only get better. karma yoga. why do you think all the stories of enlightened masters they went through so much incredible hardship. what about milarepa? marpa broke him down so ridiculously....... of course, the stronger our attachment (desire, etc) the harder it's gonna be and the harder we have to work (relation to karma?). i accept now that's it gonna be hard, so bloody hard. there is no easy way, there is no magic pill..... and if someone is trying to sell you one - they are an agent of the matrix! be wary! but once you make the choice.... there is no other option but to do the hard work. do the hard work with your body, do the hard work with your brain, do the hard work with your spirit. god doesn't accept the weak so if you aren't prepared to commit your entire existance, to give everything away..... then you might as well give up now because you aint gonna get anywhere and it would save you a lot of anguish to not think about it anymore. of course my bum is just doing all the talking here, as usual i like the analogy of the caterpillar putrifying in the chrysalis (matrix) to eventually become a butterfly better. but if you truly think it's going to unfold nice and smoothly.... easily and then just be done.... c'mon sean, you gotta be fooling yourself. it's true there is pain and loss that results in great pleasure and beauty (infinite love). but we gotta wade through a whole lot of pain, loss and intense fear. yes, it's intense as anything could ever possibly be..... i've come close to something a couple of times in the past two weeks and i was so fucking scared, more than i have ever been about anything, ever. it's so frightening to look at the chasm and realise that if you jump you will NEVER be the same again. that who you think you are has to die. and it has to die. the caterpillar MUST die to create the butterfly.

as i said above... i don't have a philosophy. i don't adhere to ANY belief system.... rather i let my opinions flow and change as they need to. matrix is just a metaphor, i like the terminology cos i'm a 21st century kid... it makes sense to me more so than ancient buddhist/yogic/taoist terminology.... cos i'm not ancient, i'm living here in this time. it's all the same thing anyway... there is only one truth, just an infinite number of attempts to explain it. but in order to pursue truth we need a model, we need a goal and we need outcomes along the way..... it's all well and good to sit here and say "tao is the way, to be wu-wei, i just let everything happen as it is" and then nothing happens. your still sitting here saying it and nothing has changed!!!!!! the matrix fits as a metaphor because thats what it's like, where we are living is illusion.... but this is a collective illusion created by all of us (and upheld by the technological system we created, artificial intelligence AI.... could it be possible we are actually plugged into a matrix? for sure it can, how can we truly know what is true and what is not?). we want to free ourselves from the illusion (then we end up in just another illusion anyway, but perhaps a little more free..... i can't possibly imagine how many layers of illusion there is but i know it's a lot! until of course we get back to infinite nothingness - god) or we want to unplug from this collective reality. this is where heads and humatons comes in. picture the tai-chi symbol (yin-yang) and now picture it expanding upwards 3-dimensionally like a spiral. in order to progress up the spiral (to the point where it becomes one again) both opposing forces are needed to push each other forward. humatons to uphold reality (the matrix). heads to destroy it (evolve). overall yes we are all made of the same stuff and hence the same.... but at this stage of the game there IS a distinction and BOTH types are necessary. being heads does not make us any more special than humatons, we just got a different purpose. we are not all the same, we are not all equal. everyone out there, i'm certain, has experienced contact with both types.... you may be able to shrug it off with a simple "oh he hasn't woken up yet" but the point is a humaton WON'T wake up (at least not at this point, until some of us can become lucid enough to shake the whole big bottle of the matrix and wake em all up and into the next level) because a humaton doesn't want to, a humaton serves the matrix. believe or don't believe the distinctions..... but quite simply you are here on this board reading this cos you are a head, very likely though some of your family and even friends (plus the guys who probably picked on you in high school or the cool guys you never got to hang out with) are humatons and no matter what you do you just feel like there is a difference and you don't quite fit in with them. but yeah freeform, the chat is to wake up heads. and whenever i see heads i will pursue them with the chat.... that's just what i'm gonna do to shake em a little cos it's time (and also it's fun to meet new heads cos i actually don't feel like an outsider talking to them). i think i can recognise them now.

yes... karma = lesson (or perhaps "experience" ...... hmmm takes too much effort right now to explain this).