松永道

Now, it sounds like you've already got power, overloaded in fact, you just got to ground it! Sounds to me like you should be doing a little more work to get into this reality rather than wanting out of it. It is real here you know. Just as real as the other realities anyway.

You want my advice? You take up some practices that ground you here. Exercise. Martial Arts, Taiji, sports, weightlifting, pick the one you like because developing the body is the best way to ground. And then eat well. And during those activities take stock of the relationships in your life. Gratitude is grounding. Family, friends, pets, romance, the natural world, yourself.

Give the upper dantian/upper chakras some time to cool down.

Well done on the psychonaut work though. The community needs experiences, good and bad, at just how cultivation and technology can mix together.

chinese medicine by definition is not primarily involved with internal cultivation , so...

My friend, surely you jest. I'm not talking about Materialist TCM. It takes no leap of intellect to discern that Chinese Medicine is the fruit of internal cultivation. Not to mention that every genuinely accomplished cultivator practices healing in one form or another. Dao can be cultivated through any pursuit, that said 医道 (the way of cultivation though medicine) and 武道 (the way of cultivation through martial art) are where you are most likely to find teachers with ability. It is common for high level cultivators to practice both (and 人道，茶道，等等) as they are all complementary.

To be a high level Chinese Medicine doctor, there is no argument, one must practice internal cultivation.

Does this clear things up for you?

[edit] The qi used used in the image of the article you've linked to is 气 with a 火 radical inside. More over it's written in oracle script which is a different set of characters. China's history is maddeningly complex. Everything was transcribed by hand (human error), recompiled, revised and sometimes entirely rewritten more times than anyone knows. In my opinion, it's a bit silly to argue over a character that they may or may not have used. Again, in the end it's all just words. And the dao that can be said...

You practice qigong? Meditation? Cultivation? Do you understand why it's called inner work? What sort of proof are you looking for?

From my experience you have it backwards my friend. Don't worry the least bit about enlightenment driving you mad. Enlightenment is a simplification. You know how when you understand how to do something it's easy, obvious, effortless? Enlightenment is less noise. Less crazy.

Power on the other hand could well land you in the madhouse if you your enlightenment doesn't out pace it. Take martial power too far and you can become cold, callous, arrogant and much worse. Take psychic power too far and you'll wind up spending more time conversing with spirits, masters, angels, and immortals, and loose touch with this side of life. You need enlightenment to temper these. Otherwise power corrupts.

But you're just looking for proof right? Let me ask: is this proof for you or for other people?

If I may add to the confusion..

In the tradition I learn Chinese Medicine through they've put it this way:

氣 is the qi of environment, external, sustenance. 谷气 (grain or food qi)，地气 (earth qi)。。。

炁 is the internal energy of transformed 氣, however 炁 is not the result of internal cultivation. 炁 is 中气 (stomach or middle burner qi)，营气 (nutritive qi)，卫气 (protective qi)，宗气 (chest or ancestral qi)。。。

Finally the 气 with a 火 (fire) radical inside is the qi that one can acquire from serious cultivation. It is under this qi that 元气 is also categorized.

Is this helpful? Interesting? Just more confusing? They are just words anyway. I personally don't put too much weight in the words until they've tested true in my body laboratory...but that's a different topic. 那你好好学习吧！祝你成功。

People talk about Kundalini as upward or yang/fire energy and Kunlun has been refered to as downward yin grounding energy. It makes sense that women would be naturally better at Kunlun then. Here's my question, don't we need both? I'm not sure if micro-cosmic/macro-cosmic orbits and the kunlun and kundalini energies are the same things, however, if they are isn't it better to practice an orbit that takes you both up and down?

About the ear ringing and prematurely awakened kundalini, chinese medicine would say yin deficiency. The ringing gets worse when you add more fire to the equation. Raising your spirit is like flying a kite, you need that yin anchor to stabilize your flight. This has been my experience with a similar situation anyway. Cut sugar, alcohol, weed, caffeine, and hit up more grounding veggies. Also take up a breathing practice that begins rooting your breath down into your kidneys/lower dantien/lower center of gravity. Daoist reverse abdominal breathing is really good for this but it's not so good to learn this one from a book. If you do end up trying this one without a teacher's instruction, be careful, make sure your diaphragm is going down on the inhale/contraction, keeping the qi below the solar plexus, otherwise you'll be working agaist what you want to achieve. That's not to say stop getting all fired up, yang transforms to yin, just be sure to take up a yin practice afterwards.

That's this student's two cents anyhow.

This seems to be spontaneous movement qigong, natural qigong or Shen Gong, whatever you want to call it. From my knowledge it just starts happening after you've been practicing qigong a certain amount of time. From my experience when you let the body move the way it wants it tends to self-balance, open up, and allow the qi to flow better. I've noticed that it often incorporates movements that you've learned, which makes sense in terms of daoist body breakdown

heaven-man-earth,

head-heart-gut,

spirit-mind-body,

consciousness-energy-matter,

forebrain-midbrain-hindbrain,

upper dantian, middle dantian, lower dantian

the hindbrain, cerebellum, is in charge of motor control, sensory perception and muscle-memory, which is associated with the body, earth, lower dantian in qigong theory. My hypothesis is that the cerebellum and lower dantian have major 关系 (guanxi:relation).

So are you re-inventing Bagua? I'd say no. But are you tapping into the same state of mind from which all qigong was invented in the first place? Yes, I think so.

嘿当然看得懂。But I agree, in interest of fairness we'll keep everything in english for now. Or maybe we can do a little bilingual stuff for educational purposes, how about it, 怎么样？ Learning other languages and cultures is fun, it's like self-cultivation, you explore a new way of thinking and, thus, have another useful tool to distinguish the real you from your thoughts.

Anyway glad to be here, happy wayfaring.

Today I discovered the practice of Kunlun Bliss. Here are my first impressions and questions. Kunlun and other tao bums, I hope to hear your opinions.

This sounds to me like spontaneous movement qigong or 自发动功. For ease of discusion (ie. ease on my fingers) I'll refer to this as natural qigong. Natural qigong is a byproduct of qigong/meditation practice. I began experiencing it a number of years ago and practiced it irregularly ever since. It has always seems to rebalance my body, though sometimes the positions get very intense. However I have always trusted this movement, put aside fear, and realized my body could be much stronger and more flexible than I thought it was. Everything I have experienced seems to correspond with Kunlun Bliss information.

But is Kunlun Bliss a cult? This process comes, as they honestly admitt, from within. Perhaps I am a bit repulsed by the act of giving it a name. The dao that can be named is not the entire dao, but then again, the many named things are dao's manifestations. So perhaps my mistrust is misplaced. So what are some cult detection criteria?

Does he charge money?

A lot of money?

Does he have a very nice car, big house, etc?

Or does Max live modestly?

Does he take advantage of students?

When someone disagrees with him how does he react?

Please skeptical tao bums add on to this list for honest Kunlun students to respond to.

Finally, what is natural qigong and is it a good thing? My experience has led me to believe that it is. However, there are stories of injuries, broken bones and what not. I have not heard of psychic disturbance but this is qigong so I assume this is also a risk if pursued improperly. My Chinese cultivation brother said natural qigong is not good to start too early, and that he believes because it is not systematized, it is unpredictable and potentially harmful. But he is very traditional. I have yet to ask my teacher about natural qigong, I will post his comment when I do. The chinese material I have read seems split. Some traditions say all practice will eventually become natural movement, form without form. Others say, to pursue this too early, due to lack of patience or psychic or spiritual greed will only result it bad bad mojo for the practitioner.

What are your thoughts wayfarers? Max certainly has ability (gongfu 功夫) but does he have the virtue (daode 道德) to temper it?

Merry winter solstice. Yang sprouts today. Seems good for an introduction, eh?

I have stayed away from the world for a while but balance brings me back to modernity and all that comes with it. And so I found this forum. What a treat. It seems that there are many interested people here, some fair-weather dabblers in the dao and others who have begun genuine cultivation. What a caravansary!

For now I live in Xi'an, China, study daoist qigong, meditation, zhaobao taijiquan, chinese medicine, and the many other things life delivers. What luck. What 缘分! My qigong is from Longmenpai, Wang Liping's lineage. But I am just a student. Looking for other students. Let us enjoy some lighthearted fun eh?

Happy wayfaring.

松永道