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Indeed. However, you've had help. Should not the latter portion of this thread be split off into another sean? You know it's been done before. In any case, I'm deeply humbled by the nature of the replies of some of you. Agape, Spectrum...yes. I'd like to offer further comments here occasionally. And so I shall. xeno

Indeed, if one doesn't become one's own guru that person is lost with respect to spiritual evolution. Plainly put, to do so is the purpose of Life. Put another way, others may provide inspiration...you must provide manifestation. Peace out. xeno

Actually, there won't be a reply. Do the best you can. Love. xeno

Thoughtful commentary to follow. Love (guides the Spirit). xeno

OK. I know you do. It's the after now that I'm concerned about for you. Based on my experience I find it exceedingly difficult to believe that your stated experience of CCO is possible. When coupled with your now stated dis-belief in an afterlife all I can say is that you most certainly did not experience a CCO...for it is not the loss of self that one experiences, it is precisely the opposite...it's the loss of ego that one experiences, thereby revealing one's self. Furthermore, as the Tibetan Book of the Dead points out about the "the thousand petaled lotus called Sahasrara Padma" (CCO) "through it the sushumnanadi" (vagus nerve) "has it's exit, through which consciousness normally goes out from the body at death". Based on my experience of viewing through this exit before death by means of CCO it is clear that an afterlife exists...and that it is our electrical plumbing (read: neural pathways) that determines what awaits us there. There's more information that's relevant to you specifically that I've already alluded to that I could elucidate on. But I need to draw my attention now to my Wife. It's in response to statements such as these that I offer you the comments that I have. Were your statement above to refer to a man (i.e. singular) it would be one of beauty. Much misunderstanding here. The energy isn't shot out of the top of the head, it's showered through the body (another indication to me that you haven't experienced CCO). Forget the protective body mechanism idea, completely wrong context. Yes, it is for sharing with another person! In a way, I'm doing so now with you. And the Internet. I'll certainly have to refrain to do so at some point. The Love sink is too big. And too unresponsive. What you fail to recognize my Dear is that I'm still helping you. Hmm, yes, I see that you are. What does that tell you about you? That lady reminds me of my mother on her more compassionate days. Love (guides one to the Tao) xeno

And so you shall...when your Spirit would rather be searching for the Tao...you may not enjoy it as much then...fixation (read: neural pathway conditioning) on the erotic in Life leads to the Sidpa Bardo after Life...and rebirth...typically in a human form more basal than the one that their (erotically fixated) Spirit previously occupied. You makes your choices and you Live with them...and re-Live...and re-Live...and...

For those for whom Enlightenment is not achieved, reflections of the neural pathways that were cultivated in Life await the Spirit of the cultivator after it. Neural pathways cultivated by porn are inconsistent with Enlightenment and ensure that it doesn't occur. Indeed, they ensure delivery of the Spirit of the cultivator to the Sidpa Bardo. And all that that entails. Advise training your mind otherwise. Almost any other path will serve your Spirit better. And there are MUCH better. xeno

May your spirit stay in the chikhai bardo, laughing, with happy pancakes.

Or many.

Marrenna, I've been trying to understand what you've meant by your use of the term heart chakra orgasm for over 2 years now. My inquiries which had focused on the discrepancies between your self described "idiot savant"-like ability to achieve them without use of the MCO, i.e. traditional taoist internal alchemical methods, has perplexed me much. Based on your description of said orgasms in post #21, I believe I'm beginning to understand the mechanism by which they may occur. Surely, your diet plays an important part. Primarily through energizing jing production. But I think it plays essentially a catalyst role to the more critical component of the mechanism...the vagus nerve. My experience leads me to believe that traditional taoist internal alchemical methods work by progressive training of the sympathetic neural system to achieve progressively larger neural charge separation, ultimately resulting in relocation of the yin pole (for men...obviously reverse it for women) to the intersection of the sympathetic and vagus nerves...the brain, IOW the crown, upon which the sympathetic nervous system is short circuited by the vagus nerve, resulting in CCO. Now, what you've described is more consistent with neural charge separation along the vagus nerve. As the vagus nerve is part of the autonomic nervous system and therefore beyond voluntary control, I have to presume that it's not anything that you're doing (neuromuscularly), but that rather it's the cocktail of the orgasmic diet or Marrenna's chemical cocktail or a combination thereof that facilitates this response. I strongly suspect that it's a female specific response. My thoughts for now. No one wants to know my thoughts on ejaculation.

Thank you for the reply sean. I hope you'll continue to answer my questions. They're asked in the true spirit of inquisitiveness. At the risk of reinforcing your thinking that I'm crazy and cranky (a horse that has obviously left the barn) I'm going to point out that you've not answered either of the questions that I've asked you. My questions are asked with language chosen such that I might learn something specific regarding the MCO and it's relationship to CCO in the answer. Not answering these questions results in failure of that objective. Having said that, I think with further cooperation on your part I may still able able to achieve that objective. So I respectfully request that continued cooperation. To wit: To do so, I have to channel chi through the crown. Is it the same for you? Also, the "it" in your second sentence above...I'm pretty sure you're referring to the third eye center and not the crown center. Is that correct? Just checking...trying to avoid misunderstanding. The most important question that I have is this: for one who can bring chi to their third eye, which based on my experience, which presumably is similar to yours (refer to my my question above regarding routing chi through the crown), why have you not at least tried to experience a CCO? Or have you? Refer to my unanswered question from my last post. I sincerely hope that your answer is not that you're afraid that it'll make you crazy and cranky. But if it is, it is. Please be truthful. This is as close to a scientific inquiry as there is in a forum such as this. As such, I'm sincerely grateful for your sharing your experience. Anything additional that you'd like to share regarding your experience with routing chi to or through the crown, third eye, or any of the conception channel centers will also be appreciated. Much thanks for your cooperation. And respect. xeno Oh, and Love too Replies from others are encouraged also.

mrs. x has achieved 8-9 week menstrual cycles over many cycles many times in her OKF practice. Highly recommended. And a lovely explanation of the benefits of said practice meow, equivalent to the benefits to a man from SKF practice. Nothing to add regarding the young man's dilemma. Excellent and complete replies have been supplied.

The thousand petaled lotus blossom is (among other things) a metaphor for both the capacity of, and the effect to the spirit from, the expression of infinite human Love. As the flower needs water in order to bloom, so does the spirit require Love.

sean, how do you do that without experiencing crown center orgasm? Or are you?

Agreed. Without exception. Not sure where the witches went. But agreed anyway.

Righteous Witch. For those who choose not to read the link, read this, it's among the most profound assertions ever made: All formal dogmatic religions are fallacious and must never be accepted by self-respecting persons as final. Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. To teach superstitions as truth is a most terrible thing. - Hypatia edit: here's a bit more for the interested.

I believe you. Just trying to help you keep it real ZB. No time for that. And I believe you. Missed that. Reprise?

Cripes. This thread consists almost entirely of mental masturbation. Step away from your keyboards and Live Life Bums...which, as Rimbaud (and subsequently Milan Kundera) have (correctly) asserted..."(Life) is elsewhere". ...and certainly isn't found within the computer monitor you're staring at brothers and sisters. The void is available for exploration. Through CCO. But I've tired of pointing out water to thirsty horses. Busy Living Life. Which is elsewhere. Love. Simplicity follows. xeno

Marrena my dear, Trunk has (subsequent to the above referenced quote) complimented you on your honesty, let us endeavor to not make a liar of him...you were invited to The Tao Bums by me out of my interest in exposing a friend to information pertaining to manipulation of the MCO and achievement of CCOs in the hope that you might become better informed regarding these matters. To my dismay, such has not been provided here. That unfortunateness is another subject. Nonetheless, you have my most sincere wishes for continued success in all that you pursue and, if indeed you've enabled yourself for engagement with a SKF master, for one to engage you. Love. xeno

Practice as if all were coming. (Because) all is coming.

sean, allow me to take this opportunity to apologize for being snarky, something that I presume is closely related to not listening (reading) carefully. I now see that you were advising me to do other than the right click and "Copy link location" that I was doing and was frustrating me when it wouldn't paste the post but rather the first post of the thread in which it existed. I didn't recognize this difference in what you wrote and what I understood at the time that you offered it. Funny how clear it now is that you advised me exactly as did Trunk. Must have been that rascally snarkiness! I offer you my most sincere apology...and expect my experience here to be considerably less frustrating...only good can result. Love. xeno edit: well I'll be durn, I just became a Bum! Instant karma!

Imagine my embarrassment...I've been trying to copy and paste post links...no worky. Thank you Trunk.