konchog uma

i personally think light and qi are two different forms of energy. the way i have been taught, the dan tiens and the 2nd, 4th, and 6th chakras overlap so they occupy the same physical space. in this way they are related closely, and i have been taught that the navel chakra is fire, and is the reservoir of vital energy, or qi. the heart in my system is water, and reservoir of emotional energy. (now i have to ask my teacher if emotional energy is qi or not! thanks guys ) and the pineal chakra is air and is the reservoir of light, so now i have good questions for my kuji-in teacher. his phone is broken so i can't sort it out tonight but i will hopefully tell you what he says when he calls me w his new number. anyway thats none of your business! hahaahah and btw i am just throwing my 2 cents around like its 5 bucks because i work with these systems. i am in no way claiming to be correct. i am not an authority in these matters, i am just a student

again good sir i do agree with you, although... theres nothing really wrong with meditating on it in Any way if you ask me. when i do a chakra hand seal meditation set i will use colorful visualizations, feeling the physical sensations at the point in question for "charge" (i know light doesnt have charge but lets use that word for its accurate descriptiveness of the feeling), mantra, mudra, and meditation on the philosophical concept in question. i will say that for me, the philosophy is paramount. mudras, mantras, mandalas and visualizations are all vehicles to realize and internalize the aspect of consciousness embodied by that center. but i will also say that measuring progress of ones growth can be done by seeing how bright the chakras glow in the minds eye when they are "imagined" or dwelt upon, and also if there is a subtle "full" feeling that i called charge up there because it feels like skin in a sunbeam, like its being subjected to energies of varying kinds, light and other radiations. these are secondary effects to the consciousness, or signposts along the way, but they are valid indicators in my opinion i have included a PDF file in this post. it is my own notes on kuji-in, most of which from francois lepines kuji-in trilogy and some from the teacher who guides my personal kuji-in practice. if it matters to you particular types, hes a 10th dan akijutsu master w foundation in mikkyo and christianity. notes on chakra hand seals (kuji-in).pdf

hear hear sir i vouch for all that very well put i am not a practitioner of kundalini anything but i will use the old logic mixed with a little of the old common sense to see that you are surely correct

here is some basic info from my studies KEY - sanskrit "translation" - location - frequency - positive and negative aspects of consciousness - ruling planet - drive - spin ** (see bottom of post) muladhara "root" - perineum - red - survival, grounding, stability, security, trust, fear, aversion - saturn - to be, to have - 8 times counterclockwise, 5 times clockwise svadhisthana "sweetness of one's own abode" - navel - orange - desire, eros, pleasure, guilt, obsession - jupiter - to feel, to want - 13 times counterclockwise, 8 clockwise manipura "lustrous jewel" - solar plexus - yellow - willpower, intent, vitality, purpose, shame, anger, poor self-esteem - mars - to act, to do - 21 times counterclockwise, 13 clockwise anahata "unstruck melody" - heart - green - emotional intelligence, compassion, love, acceptance, grief, sadness, loneliness - venus - to love, to be loved - 34 times counterclockwise, 21 clockwise visshudha "purification" - throat - blue - communication, listening, creativity, resonance, hypocrisy, dishonesty - mercury - to hear, to be heard - 55 times counterclockwise, 34 clockwise ajna "perception" - pineal - indigo - perception, intuition, imagination, illusions, delusions, confusion - moon - to witness, to see - 89 times counterclockwise, 55 clockwise sahasrara "thousandfold" - crown of head - violet - awareness, consciousness, gnosis, wisdom, attachments - sun - to know - 144 times counterclockwise, 89 times clockwise there seems to be a chakra above the head (233x ccw, 144x cw) associated with the higher self and silvery-pink and one above that, 2 feet above the head associated with the cosmos, the pure white light "shared cosmic chakra" (377x ccw, 233x cw) that is part of us and also part of the cosmic spirit. there seem also to be chakras between the knees (5x ccw, 3x cw) and ankles (3x ccw, 2x cw), in deepening shades of brownish red, associated primarily with balance, and movement. there is one below the feet (2x ccw, 1x cw) associated with rootedness and the instinct body, and one below that, 2 feet below the bottoms of the feet, the brown light "shared planetary chakra" (1x ccw, 1x cw) which we share with the earth and which links us into the gaian intelligence. **(each chakra is a counter-rotating field of light, that is to say, it spins both counterclockwise and clockwise on the axis of the taiji pole. i include this information because i have found that it helps one "get in touch" with each chakra. it is of egyptian horus priesthood origin. i have also found it very helpful to realize that each chakra spins in phi-ratio harmony with the one above and below it. the speeds of the spins are relative and may differ exactly from person to person, but in theory remain a function of phi ratio fractality.) well thats the tip of an iceberg, but i hope it helps you all out!

everything is affected by the power of beliefs, or power of placebo . maybe that hermit was just saying things from one point of view. maybe other points of view are equally true, just different ways of saying things. maybe one would say something like that to jar someones conditioned thinking, whether it was true or not. who knows. see my post on kwan saihung anyway... i don't put a lot of stock in the authenticity of that book. usually in the realm of the physical, things must be seen to be believed. and in the realm of the spiritual, sometimes things must be believed to be seen. i started to learn and work with chakras because native american, african, asian, celtic, etc shamans perceived the chakras and give concordant accounts of them and what they do. also because a friend of mine had a trance experience of a yellow light beam radiating from her solar plexus. i say trance because no drugs were involved. she had not been hypnotically induced. annyway, i've seen enough to believe, and believed enough to "see" by which i mean experience profound healing and growth as a result of cultivating my chakras.

i think life is crazy. i don't think that the nature of reality conforms to any definition of sanity. i think too that thoughts and feelings float around. we are conduits for these things but they can be looked at as both ours and not ours. ours while they are ours for as long as we want to nurture them. but not ours when we want to let them go, and quite likely, not originating in or of us. in my world thoughts and feelings are purely elemental, expressions of air and water respectively.

hahaha if you think buddhists are bad, try talking to physicists

i haven't heard the lojong proverbs in so long i had forgotten! thank you for the reminder! those are beautiful chogyam trungpa translates 5 as "after meditation, be a child of illusion".

thats neat, never heard that. although im not sure energy being lost by black holes is really an issue. don't they reach a critical mass and radiate energy outwards after a while?

different people have different definitions of every word. thats called semantics. so what you just said doesnt really say anything. i am not going to spell out for you what i meant. those are common words, look them up... i was using common definitions. no i don't mean an enlightened being. yes they do, although everyone has their own "every day life" and some peoples are more likely to attract enlightened people to them than others. good question. it would be harder to seduce such a woman with manipulative techniques because 1. they probably value freedom highly and don't appreciate being manipulated 2. they may be able to sense when someone just wants sex, as well as being sensitive to other subtleties. 3. most of them are interested in the same thing in return so its going to take more than a witty line or two to impress them. 4. using NLP techniques can be contrived, and women like that are more likely to value spontaneity. i agree, it took me years of searching for someone like i just described to find one. but if i had chalked the very notion itself up to idealism, i would have never pursued my goal further. it basically took me getting my life together to a suitable degree to attract someone like that ok. sure, if she isnt familiar with any disciplines, you could introduce her to some. but i can assure you that real women are out there, they are just generally fed up with shallow men and don't make themselves easy to catch.

i think he can figure out that they weren't on location at shaolin. i don't know whether you were trying to treat him like an idiot or not, but if so, thats rude. anyway, maybe someone more knowledgable about kung fu movies can chime in with something to watch that would reflect a more authentic taste of monastic life in a martial temple.

in which case it will just come down on some other planet millions of years in the future. oh i forgot stars. and black holes. ummmm ok so maybe some things go up but don't come down. doh marblehead 1 anamatva 0 best outta three!

thank you that was very informative. people who work with chakras as somehow based in qi can damage their energy system. chakras are consciousness, or light. there should not be heat or tingles, or any other energy in the chakras. in my experience, Maybe in the lower dan tien, but this should be circulated, cooled, or dispersed when one is done meditating on it, or svadisthana consciousness, which can trigger LDT charge. my teacher says if it starts to charge, youre done meditating on it. but thats just him. anyway thanks for pointing out that chakras are very different than qi. i will read some of the threads on dan tien you recommend. thank you again

i met him 15 years ago and studied under him at a retreat for three days. he taught qigong and meditation, and i had some one on one with him where i told him about surviving an emotionally toxic, abusive childhood. his answer was a specific throat chakra meditation to release memories. so he obviously utilizes the chakras. i wouldn't say that i know him, and he didn't talk about his past. when it comes to authors like deng ming dao, who is obviously a sensationalist, i suspend the process of belief and disbelief. i don't ask "is this true?", instead i ask "is this useful?". i put those stories in the same category as carlos casteneda's accounts of studying shamanism in mexico. probably a mix of true and untrue, but undoubtedly full of useful information and practice. i had suspected that kwan saihung was in fact deng ming dao (since nobody seems to know deng ming dao's whereabouts, and not one person can verify kwan saihung's authenticity. i had seen that frank kai information before. i don't pretend to know the truth, although the man in the picture in that thread is the man who gave the retreat. seems like the whole thing is a con. carlos casteneda did the same thing. hahahah one of his colleagues checked out a book that casteneda had checked out on the day his books claim he was in mexico, taking part in shamanic ritual. (this according to the old library cards, remember those!) described inside that book was the shamanic ritual in question. the world is full of cons, i wouldn't blink an eye if kwan saihung was a total myth. still an interesting story if you have the common sense not to believe it.

i would expect david deangelo to disagree with me. i have a totally different approach to relating to women than him. he will tell you that his methods are guaranteed to get you whatever you want, but good luck finding an awake, aware, spiritual consort with NLP seduction methods. i don't care about hot girls, most of them have attitude problems and entitlement issues. i don't care about perfect tens. i care about a woman with a good head on her shoulders, and a good heart in her chest, who can cultivate her energy and her spiritual development with me. i don't personally think that david deangelo would know what to do with one of them... learn a lot probably. but like i said, totally different approach to relating to women...

i agree with him 100% i am SO much happier now that i don't smoke. that stuff really dulls the senses and makes you believe youre more spiritually connected! when i quit i had to do a lot of emotional work to deal with the issues i had be burying, but i knew what i was doing and i knew why i was doing it, and it was painful but now (yes a 2nd time!) i am SO much happier!

oh thats neat, thanks!

couldnt dig one up in a minute or less but if you look you might find it. this from wikipedia

they predicted it beforehand though. everything rises and falls besides, those ruins were just found abandoned, they never found bones enough to indicate that the mayans all died in war. maybe they foresaw the coming of the spaniards and vibrated themselves back to wherever they came from. sounds ludicrous, but my point is that nobody really knows what happened to the maya, so infinite speculation is possible.

kurzweil has a narrower focus (development of external technologies alone), less mathematical basis for his calculations, and a different target date (2040 i think). mckenna took into account internal technologies like language, and had less speculation and more math behind his predictions. i like kurzweil, and i am hopeful for AI. the age of spiritual machines is an awesome book.

thanks

mayan hype is dubious. mayan calendar science speaks for itself. the mayans make more reference to 2012 in their stele than to any other date. that was 3000 years ago so their calculations weren't changed to fit the hype. the hype is based on their calculations. well the mayan tribes claim that their ancestors were cosmic maya, who came to this galaxy through sagittarius b (the black whole at the center of the milky way) and imparted their knowledge of temporal time and sacred time to them. i am not qualified to speak for the mayans but if anyone wonders what They are actually saying about their calendar and 2012, go to that site (http://www.shiftoftheages.com) and see for yourself. they built pyramids that left-brained cultures are still trying to figure out, devised the most accurate calendar known to man, and left a map of sacred time that has been kept for thousands of years by various tribes and peoples. why the mayans? i dunno, i guess someone's gotta be right

he devised a calendar, inspired by the i ching, which measured the occurances of paradigm-changing novelties (invention of language, civilization, money etc) and found the occurance of such novelty to be happening on an exponential curve. in other words, so there were thousands of years between the domestication of grains and animals and the widespread development of the city-state, for example, but now there is 30 years between the invention of the personal computer and the advent of the internet. at any rate he plotted these novelties on a timeline and found that the curve went vertical in late 2012. the story of the development of that calendar, which he calls timewave zero, is detailed in his book "invisible landscapes".

it depends on which system you defer to. i have seen info saying that the chakras are contained within the taiji pole and info that says what you are saying up there. i have seen info saying that the dantiens are more fore, more aft, and exactly the same as the chakras they relate to, sacral, heart, and pineal. when i work with my own chakras, i feel the charge of them in a central place, not along my spine. more within the taiji pole. but this is just my experience with them. traditional chinese medicine does not recognize the chakras, correct? kwan saihung taught me chakra meditations, but in the book about his life by deng ming dao, he is told by a taoist hermit that the chakras don't actually exist. that hermit said they only work because people believe in them. maybe more people can chime in on the subject!

those thoughts are natural and will go away in time. when you catch yourself being jealous, just remind yourself that *she never belonged to you*, she is a free person, and you were blessed with the time you had together, but not more. if you still love her, respect her right to do with her life what she feels is best. thats pretty humbling, but humility is a good thing!