konchog uma

forgetaboutit

its funny that this thread started with the similarities but as soon as it got "too buddhist" it was requested to be segregated

what are you more experienced bums (or anyones) thoughts on turning the wheel of small orbit by turning the dantian, using it as a water wheel to affect all the orbits in the body? This method is taught by Damo Mitchell, and i have been using it since I read his 2nd book (Daoist Nei Gong)

thats a great book. Qigong Empowerment is another good one for beginners.(forget the author at present but am pretty sure theres only one title by that name.. purple cover). i second the notion that you should find a teacher. books can only do so much.

yup. instead of thinking about it in terms of better or worse just see what works for you and cultivate that. even that might change in time.

starry night above easily absorbed in the silence of sitting

roaming the hallways of our own psyches when we should be sitting down

sure but in 1972 as this osho crap supposedly happened, there was only one, HH Rangjung Dorje although the Karmapa my friend met was HH Ogyen Dorje.. my point was that that oshonews story smells like poop and i don't believe it

i thought you had no opinion about him? hes probably busy overseeing the karma kagyu lol.. who knows that might take a lot of time

listen to the void not the wind moving in it neither word nor sound

best to be honest unless its the case that its best to not be so

those comments come from an article in oshonews http://www.oshonews.com/2011/12/16th-karmapa-about-osho/ which was about a meeting which took place in 1972 but wasn't pubished or talked about til 2011. That story has huge holes in it, like everything else about osho. It usually takes hours to meet the karmapa with an appointment, i know someone who went to see the karmapa and was only allowed an audience because a prominent lama had signed a recommendation that my friend be granted an audience. and it took him like 4 hours waiting before the karmapa would see him. The idea that someone would just roll up and say "oh are you here to see the lama?" and take him immediately to see his holiness reeks of bullshit. I call shenanigans on that whole story, since there is no source for that information other than oshonews... no buddhist sources, or anything else.

let me say "sorry" as well... in the spirit of insincerity

vermont and washington have GMO labeling initiatives underway for 2014 vote it will happen eventually. CA prop 37 was only defeated by 53% to 47% despite the pro movement being outfunded enormously by monsanto, dow, etc they aren't going to be able to get away with that indefinitely. Eventually USA will label GMO foods... like the rest of the civilized world lol

having nothing is a great place from which to start an adventure or take a quantum leap into a new phase of your life. And not just because you have nothing to lose, but that does play a large part. i too have been where you describe yourself to be, everything is transitory and moves in cycles, including human suffering. i hope you can keep your mind open to the possibilities of life, because nobody is ever without possibilities. Even if something radical happens, like you have to put your clothes in a pack and strap on a sleeping bag and head to more fertile ground by hitchhiking or other means, that is a hard path, but can be very educational and exhilarating. Many people have hit the west coast of america in the same condition and made their way from there via social services and the help of others. (Take a tarp, its better than a tent for rain.) When doors in life close, opportunity is not far away. I do hope you can stay open to the lessons and opportunities which are presenting themselves, and that you can weather this storm with as much dignity as possible. blessings to you

TI rigpa itself is not clear light. According to Glenn Mullin they are different (i asked him in person, i dont have a quote)... related but different, kind of like sambhogakaya and clear light. since your capacity to argue is much greater than mine, i will let you have the last word, and go on believing whatever you want to believe. "Clear light is defined in most texts as the unity of emptiness and clarity. It is the pure, empty awareness that is the base of the individual. "Clear" refers to emptiness, the mother, the base, kunzhi. "Light" refers to clarity, the son, rigpa, pure innate awareness. Clear light is direct realization of the unity of rigpa and the base, of awareness and emptiness." -Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche

a love of accurate information would be the correct way to say it. it looks like you went through a lot of trouble (or at least plugged "clear light sambhogakaya" into a search engine or two) for not much reward... none of those quotes really says that the clear light is another name for the sambhogakaya. There are some instances of them being used in the same sentence, but nothing except wikipedia saying that they are the same. I'm not convinced, and as my teachers and authority figures have told me otherwise, i think i will depend on them for accuracy instead of looking to the internet for it. ankle biting? please... is that when someone tries to point out accurate information in the face of error, and calls to light another users ignonance? or just when someone disagrees with you personally? why don't you save the personal attacks for people who are moved by such things, and instead, just provide the requested evidence that clear light and sambhogakaya are one and the same thing?

unless you're using wikipedia lol

the only thing clear light has to do with luminosity is as metaphor for nondual awareness which cuts through the darkness of ignorance. TI youre welcome to believe wikipedia lol, and think whatever you want about clear light. There was one sentence about clear light being sambhogakaya on wikipedia, and the rest of your argument was predicated on that false assumption, failing to make that connection in the words of actual teachers, just saying how sambhogakaya includes a spectrum of manifestations, some of them visible. I would rather just let you believe whatever you want. Clear light isn't sambhogakaya according to what i have learned from teachers, and if it is to you based on what you learned on wikipedia, more power to you!!

thanks for noticing. most people on the subway keep their gaze lowered.

whats the third?

if you can provide evidence that clear light has anything to do with luminosity that would be more appropriate. clear light is not samboghakaya.

with the notable exception of DC of course lol

obviously by practicing the yogas they teach you and evaluating whether or not they have an awakening effect. Whether you can talk to others about what youre doing (or think youre doing) is irrelevant to the competency of the guru. Whether or not you can talk about your practices publicly has no bearing whatever on whether the practices are effective. I would trust a vajrayana guru who told me not to talk about my practice to others over one who said it was fine to blab tantra this tantra that everywhere. Secrecy maintains the space, the container, which helps subdue ego and creates effective practice. When one has broken samaya, it can disrupt their steadiness in meditation and cause other problems for them. For a more complete explanation, i recommend Dakpo Tashi Nyamgal's Clarifying the Natural State. It is hard for westerners to understand, but there are pragmatic reasons for samaya. liberating accomplishments can liberate, as can experiences. But talking to others about accomplishments and experiences is rarely liberating. One might even think they are helping others, but they could be taken in the wrong way, or give an incomplete explanation which is not helpful. It can even be harmful. You were saying on this very forum about how clear light had to do with visions of luminosity, which it simply doesn't, and false claims like that can be misleading to beginners who don't know any better but to listen to those who seem to offer the "fruits of practice" but aren't actual teachers, only students with no sense of samaya. Thats why its advised to leave the teaching to the teachers, and as a student, to just focus on practice, not on talking about practice. Thats why if you read buddhist forums and questions about direct introduction, tantra, clear light, mahamudra, dzogchen, etc, there usually aren't a lot of replies, except some idle speculation by practitioners who don't know any better, and the senior practitioners who point out that that topic is not for public talk. "It is not secret because there is something to hide, but in order to protect the practitioner from the pitfalls and downfalls that ego can bring to the practice. In particular, practitioners tend to fall prey to “spiritual materialism,” where their practice becomes just another fashion statement intended to adorn their egos and make them feel important, or have them feel that they’re part of a ‘cool’ social tribe, rather than to tame and transform their minds. When practiced in this way, the Vajrayana path becomes worse than useless. Also, the Vajrayana teachings are "hidden" in the sense that their meaning is not apparent to someone who has not received the appropriate teachings. It’s like a foreign language. Because some of the imagery and symbolism can seem strange or even violent to the uninitiated, it’s generally recommended to keep it hidden so that it doesn’t put off newer practitioners, who might develop wrong views about the Buddhist path in general and the Vajrayana path in particular." -Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche

"Generally, when the idea of ego is presented, the immediate reaction on the part of the audience is to regard it as a villain, an enemy. You feel you must destroy this ego, this me, which is a masochistic and suicidal approach. People tend to think this way because, usually when we speak of spirituality, we tend to think that we are fighting the bad; we are good, spirituality is the ultimate good, the epitome of good, and the other side is bad. But true spirituality is not a battle; it is the ultimate practice of nonviolence. We are not regarding any part of us as being a villain, an enemy, but we are trying to use everything as a part of the natural process of life. As soon as a notion of polarity between good and bad develops, then we are caught in spiritual materialism, which is working to achieve happiness in a simple-minded sense, on the way to egohood. So the dualistic wall is not something we have to destroy or eliminate or exorcise. But having seen the emotions as they are, we have more material with which to work creatively. This makes it quite clear that the notion of samsara is dependent upon the notion of nirvana, and the notion of nirvana is dependent upon the notion of samsara; they are interdependent. If there were no confusion, there would be no wisdom." Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche from The Myth of Freedom and the Way of Meditation